RongzomFan

Maybe they teach you a Creator started the universe in your science class, but in my high school they never taught it.

A History of Indian Buddhism: From Śākyamuni to Early Mahāyāna By Akira Hirakawa suggests all 12 links are karma, like CT said. But not any particular link of the 12 links is karma

This is some sort of Oxford book: http://books.google.com/books?id=al_Wlh2mwWIC&pg=PT187&dq=The+formula+of+dependent+arising+states+that+#v=onepage&q=The%20formula%20of%20dependent%20arising%20states%20that&f=false

Either a Creator changes or doesn't change. Either way you are screwed.

Its been debunked.

Yeah when 3 western disciples transcribe, edit, translate etc. meaning gets lost.

No, it all boils down to: It is the conceited belief in “I” and “me” that makes one think that the five aggregates are “me” or “mine.” If one eradicates this inner demon, all the outer demons will automatically be destroyed. For example, when one cuts a tree at the root, all the branches and leaves are brought down in the process. Similarly, since the root of the demons described here is contained in this inner demon of self-centered conceit, it is this that we have to destroy. - A Guide to the Words of My Perfect Teacher

Why do you 2 keep saying the second link is karma??

All I said was stop using Wikipedia

Is there more than one version??

Which of the 12 links of dependent origination is karma? And where is your book?

Karma is not one of the 12 links of dependent origination. Just give it up.

I'm just saying karma is not one of the 12 links of dependent origination.

Why don't you try citing a book, like I do all the time?

If you are going by unreferenced sentences on Wikipedia, you got nothing.

Karma means action. Hence Karmamudra.

Unreferenced sentences on Wikipedia mean nothing. And there is no reference to Karma right after Ignorance in the flowchart.

Yeah but you shouldn't be making stuff up.

That's novel.

CT, Where is karma in the 12 links of dependent origination? Its not there.

I would never quote specific sentences from Wikipedia.

Even in basic shravakayana buddhism, there is no karma in the 12 links of Dependent Origination. I can make a similar point with Samkhya, the main system of hinduism

You asked if terma was bon demonic religion. I said no.

LMAO, how did you arrive at that conclusion?

Lucid dreams also seem real