RongzomFan

A Vajrayana teacher must be authorized to teach.

Obviously Vishnu pops up all the time in Buddhist texts as I documented previously, but even the avatars of Vishnu are part of Buddhism Read "Religion, Medicine and the Human Embryo in Tibet" In this context they are used for the gestational cycle, but still its there.

yes the rise of tantrism.

Did you follow up on this Songstan?

and the 17 tantras

I just throw them out ala Rongzom and the Dzogchen tantras

That book contains a lot of Dzogchen excerpts including Longchenpa's embryology.

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If you don't like the 2 truths you are with Rongzom and Dzogchen tantras.

No lying. You just have a poor understanding about these topics.

Because Milarepa's main practice was karmamudra. These are just fictitious stories.

You should read some books like Religion, Medicine and the Human Embryo in Tibet so you understand tantric anatomy (including Dzogchen).

Where is the sectarianism? Tummo is part of Sakya's Lamdre, Nyingma's Anuyoga, Gelug's Kalachakra, Kagyu's Six Yogas, Bon and Jonang.

I think that's the only book on Rongzom

Another book on the futility of meditation, and the superiority of tummo: http://books.google.com/books?id=IhPtIBEhGtYC&pg=PA132&dq=bliss+on+inner+fire+Milarepa+simply+laughed+and+said&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Ta_9UqCZIbPCyAHbwoDABg&ved=0CDMQuwUwAQ#v=onepage&q=bliss%20on%20inner%20fire%20Milarepa%20simply%20laughed%20and%20said&f=false

A relative truth is an object of deluded cognition. We all get it. http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=6423&start=40#p77631

The problem is that you just want to lecture others on what a relative truth is, instead of listening. Like I said on page 6, I understand what a relative truth is per Candrakirit.

Nobody is arguing for some kind of real actual relative truth. This is a strawman you are presenting

No shit. I just quoted Candrakirti above. Candrakirti's Madhyamakavatara VI.23 defines ultimate and relative truth The object of perfect seeing is true reality, And false seeing is seeming reality. (True reality is Karl Brunnholzl's translation for ultimate truth in Center of the Sunlit Sky Seeming reality is Karl B.'s translation for relative truth.)

No shit. Rongzom says this himself about Madhyamaka.

No, I mean where does Malcolm speak about this in the thread.

According to standard Nyingma classification, Atiyoga is one of the "3 inner tantras" along with Mahayoga and Anuyoga. https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=inner+3+tantras+mahayoga+anuyoga#hl=en&q=inner+3+tantras+mahayoga+anuyoga+atiyoga&tbm=bks https://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=inner+tantras+mahayoga+anuyoga+atiyoga&safe=off&tbm=bks