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winpro07 The last threshold to cross requires belief - because what comes next is beyond the realm of true and false.

Was one of the many video clips posted recently of Max ?? If someone could be so kind as to repost a link - to the one WYG is referring to if possible, or any others of Max, it would be appreciated. Thanks.

Inevitably, some of the best stuff is found while looking for something else.

Those who understand, know that as well.

Here's my favorite hieracy: Confucianism is for those who dont understand Taoism Taoism is for those who dont understand Zen Zen is for those who dont understand Tao And those who do understand Tao? Forget it! For them there is no help at all!! No redemption!! Too late!!

Thanks for posting those. Watching , the last one on your list, almost felt intrusive. Like watching someone who is deep in prayer.

cat - thanks for this post. All the people I know who are 'packed full' of chi also reflect a genuine and rather advanced spiritual nature. I always thought the two evolved together naturally. From what I'm reading in here, that might not be the case. I'm not familiar with the dynamics of 'transmission' but there might be a predisposition for understanding, just as there are predispositions for other types of development(s), and if so then Maslow might play into it but not exclusively: spiritual development might not require physical ok-ness.

And you would think that those who do have this experience with chi, would also reflect the kindness and respect that is natural at this level of understanding. This name calling and meaness are an obvious tell that what is being said doesn't line up with what is being pretended. Translation: Anyone can parrot something they read about. But it's the choices made in communicating - specifically about how you make others feel - that reveal the truth of you.

I know somebody who might agree with you. Once the whole is divided, the parts need names. There are already enough names. One must know when to stop. Knowing when to stop averts trouble. Tao in the world is like a river flowing home to the sea.

I have no fixed path, nor seek one, but anytime I want I can look back and see where I've been. It's pleasurable to learn about others' ways, and hear such a variety of words used in the attempts to describe this shared sourc.

From StarTrekIV [McCoy trying to discuss what death was like with Spock] McCoy: Perhaps we can cover a little philosophical ground. Life, death, life. Things of that nature. Spock: I did not have time on Vulcan to review the philosophical disciplines. McCoy: C'mon Spock, it's me, McCoy. You really have gone where no man's gone before. Can't you tell me what it felt like? Spock: It would be impossible to discuss the subject without a common frame of reference McCoy: You're joking. Spock: A joke...is...a story with a humorous climax. McCoy: You mean I have to die to discuss your insights on death? Spock: Forgive me Doctor. I'm receiving a number of distress calls. McCoy: I don't doubt it.

It's only the "mind" that thinks there's somewhere you need to go. Of the mind, be mindful. <--I dont remember who said that. Some Jedi master, no doubt.

Studies are starting to back up the idea that stress (mind-created) has a negative physiological impact. I believe (yes believe) that my body is smarter than my mind is when it comes to healing itself, so if I can just get my mind out of the way, then my body can do it's thing and better healing results occur. In other words, it isn't the "belief in X" that does the healing, it's because "I believe I will not be healed" is not present causing real stress that could physiologically get in the way of the body doing it's natural healing thing. Put even more simply, a "belief in X" reduces physiological stress, body has a better chance to heal. Truly letting go of the outcome, or having no expectations either way, has the same affect of reducing physiological stress. But that's a different subject and even farther off topic.

That gets my vote. Seems we sure like to give what we experience a name. In this case, Chi. In another case, Tao. . . . howabouttao - hi and welcome. No matter what you end up calling what you experience, keeping in mind that people describe, and sometimes label, the same thing or experience in different ways - might help you keep things sorted. As far as why others don't or can't "heal themselves" - might reflect only on understanding or expectations of something, rather than the "something" (whatever its called) existing at all. Which is why about the only way to explore this would be to keep in mind what you feel and experience, then as you read these words or those words, whichever words ring the most true for you, that might be the path to explore. Good luck in your search.

e-ich ef-fe di sounds as good as do re mi ! Pi-et-tro is cool

Hayless days are long and hot in the August sun, smiling with Leo

That's right, Andy rather than Steve, sorry. Hard to keep track with all the editing. I got your PM wanting to see the email from Andy. I'm surprised you haven't heard from him, being your teacher and all - which he didn't mention, btw, but sure could have. He did remember you, though, from back when he was an apprentice. Andy said he wasn't sure what you might have learned because, "my study with Master Yueng was as an apprentice and private lessons so I don't know what was taught in the group sessions." He also seemed to recall that you helped Master Yueng by taking him to various events. It was a very pleasant and rather informative letter. I bet he'll share it with you next time you're at the dojo. I have no need to lie or make anything up. I have no vested interest in either side of this battle other than a perpetual minor curiosity about the truth of things. It's been a somewhat of a pleasure watching everyone's bullshit meters going off their pegs around here, but that's getting old so I'll leave you all to sort it.

Hi - interesting video! Sorry I didn't watch it to the end, though. I stopped after at about 3:35 into it - here's why. The Taiji master moved the first lady around just by directing his Qi at her, causing her to move right and left, in response to his 'directions'. Then (at 3:35 min into the video) the Taiji master moved on to the second lady and started moving her around with his Qi. The only problem was, the first lady forgot to stop moving after she was obviously no longer being directed or moved by his Qi.

Where is bartender He's over asking the horse Hey, why the long face?

Sean, hi Small comment regarding the bolded sections. Imagine a scenario where within say, a hundred members who come and read, only a small percentage of them post. Also imagine that the large majority of the posting members embrace a particular system. Those members, through their many posts and self-pats-on-the-back, basically become the censors and decision makers as to who is "worthy" to post. Of course, that would never occur with the fine group of people here now. Its only the potential of difficulties I'm pointing out that could arise by abdicating your responsibility to one of mob rule. Sorry, I meant your sharing the responsibility with the community. If this newbie can cast a vote - a separate section for Kunlun might be a good idea - if for no other reason than to inform new people who wander in that TTB is not only a Kunlun forum. The only thing that alludes to that now - is the disharmony in the Kunlun threads. Maybe one of the sources of the disharmony is that TB is beginning to seem like KL Central. That was just a guess, of course. I'm still learning my way around the place. They keep changing the rules on me in the Haiku Thread. I blame Wayfarer. Edit to add: Actually, a separate forum may not be needed. On the first page of Tao Lounge topics, only 5 indicate a connection with "Kunlun". It seems now the focus is on retention and wet dreams. Things come and go quickly around here. Maybe trusting that things work themselves out, which they seem to always do.

Not necessarily. He might just be making something seem bigger than it is. This is not the time nor place for Dao Fa.

Luckily we can't contact Dave? lol - I emailed the dojo a few days ago when all this started and got a nice response back from Andy. I see now that you've edited out the parts in your post about Steve wanting you to teach an upcoming class and how you and Steve and Dave and Andy are such great buds. I doubt there'd be any reason to try and verify anything further. Even though you are "not looking for students here" - you are still putting out information in a place where people are seeking information and instruction. It's usually in everyone's interest to know how valid a source is. What you bring, even if it is absolutely bang on, becomes unfortunately suspect. I'm not sure that's what Master Yueng had in mind.

Thanks for being agreeable to having your credentials verified. It's very important for those who may be looking for instruction. Nobody wants a bogus teacher.

i honor my friends i honor my enemies no diff'rence to me {Satori - thanks, but I wasn't thinking me personally - just all the new folks. One of which I see is you. Unless you were here before under a different nick, I'm too new to recognize energies. }