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OldChi, hi, I can only share a small experience. Back when I was younger, I wanted to stop eating meat so I did the research first (to combine grains/legumes/etc to make complete proteins) and all went well. After about 6 months though... something didn't feel 'right' so I had a hamburger and before I had even finished eating it, my mind cleared and I realized that I had been slowly going into like a mental fog without realizing it. That meal was like pouring water on a bone-dry plant. lol Not saying it's like this for everyone, that's just my experience. Best of luck!

Seasoned balls of joy! Are the perfect match for some Wieners over fire!

Now that bows my neck. Good links, ralis. I don't always agree with your thoughts, but I appreciate your efforts.

Side by side? Sounds like a plan - as long as they both are in the same (physical) place - and a lot of work for you. Will you be pasting any of the text into the Concepts threads? Or do we go back and forth between the concept ideas and the words that spawned them? Ah...no reason to answer those questions. I'll find out when you get around to doing it. No hurries, no worries. (-: warm regards

Yes! How dare people expect to get paid for their efforts! How dare they! Everyone knows it's better for the collective if we just sponge off of the efforts or others! Rage! Rage against the individual! Rage! ~ Now if you'll excuse me, I think my pup needs a walk. (-:

cost you a buck tho... only a buck for the truth?? :digs quick in pockets!:

On second thought... maybe dragging ZZ into the middle of you heel breathing folks would be a great thing! (At minimum, it will showcase differences between LZ & ZZ. ) Edit to add: Marblehead, if you do decide to utilize the main Taoist Discussion area... please consider using the existing threads for each chapter - for ease, for background ideas already started, and so there aren't two separate threads on Chapter 1 Section A, Chapter 2 Section B, Chapter 1 Section C etc. etc. Second edit to add: Also, if you take over the Steward slot for the ZZ sub-forum, you'd have the ability to edit the title of each thread as we did them. For example, "Chapter 1 Section A" could become "Chapter 1A - text and concepts" then we'd know where we were (in the process) regardless of where (which forum) we were. Okay last edit: Since you're Steward of the main Taoist area.. you could create a little notice pinned to top of that area inviting folks up to ZZ sub-forum to partake... maybe lure them in with heel-breathing ideas and free candy and stuff.

That's a fair idea. And I agree that ZZ is central to Taoism. It would take a lot of bumping to keep it from being quickly buried on back pages... and moved back and forth between locations, etc, with maybe the same discussions going on in two forums - in case someone wants to join in late. I just recall what a nightmare it was to find something when all the taoist sub-forums posts were intermingled in just one sub-forum (taoist textual studies). Whatever marblehead decides is fine with me. I'm just looking forward to the conversation. warm regards

Yes I've told a few, or thought I did, until now. Who knows truth for sure?

Marblehead, hi I think we cant influence what TTB folks may or may not be interested in; most here are more into energetic practices it seems, yes? Something for everyone! For those interested in the texts, especially the earlier available ones like LZ and ZZ, the manner in which the study was originally presented was pretty good, I thought. Unlike the structure of The Laozi's 81 'poems' of which each can easily be done in whole, Zhuang Zi's chapters need to be done in paragraphs, with the 'themes' of the paragraphs kept together. From my read, you made the divisions within the chapters in a logical manner, and if any consistency or 'thread' was needed to tie the internals of a single chapter together to make an overall point... was that addressed? Likely it was, you're pretty thorough. I like your idea about discussing the "concepts" of each chapter, but maybe instead of making new topics - start with the existing first chapter, make a new post of what (your) idea of meaning, etc, is - and we could all easily start from there. I'll join in, but only if you want, as you recall my ideas about ZZ are heavily influenced by LZ. warm regards

Which aspects of the previous study were a failure?

Hi Kevin, welcome (-: Maybe quickly edit out BKA's real name in case she doesn't want it known (click edit button on your post) Rene is my real name... But I dont have a big following like BKA does, so for me it doesn't matter. LOL Looking forward to reading your posts! warm regards

Bumped - just because it's so excellent. (-:

Here's a rolling thread anyone can use for general discussions and random thoughts about the TaoTeChing overall, Laozi legends, TTC history & evolution, incorporation into Taoist doctrines, etc, or anything TTC related you want. ***** UPDATE: July 23, 2013 Since the recent restructuring - we now have a whole sub-forum for these kinds of discussions - and you are right here reading in it! If you find anything you want to comment on from the earlier pages of this thread - you can do it here or start a new topic, either way fine. Have fun!

UPDATE: July 23, 2013 Since the recent restructuring - we now have a whole sub-forum for these kinds of discussions - and you are right here reading in it! If you find anything you want to comment on from the earlier pages of this thread - you can do it here or start a new topic, either way fine. Have fun!

Welcome to the Sub-forums of the Taoist Discussion area! As you've seen, there are separate sub-forums to explore in depth the translations, interpretations and renditions of the: Tao Te Ching Hua Hu Ching Analects of Confucius Nei Yeh Chuang Tzu This subforum, "Taoist Textual Studies", is a place to explore ideas that are not necessarily limited to one of the above five, but seem to be found - in one form or another - throughout the body of Taoist thought as found in the texts. Please feel free to start any appropriate thread; reading through the topic titles will give you a good idea of what fits best where. Any questions? Ask away! No I Ching sub-forum yet... but who knows what is to come?

Adept breather, you Filling your lungs with the Source Exhaling pure Joy.

Thanks to mitosis! With brain cells now leaving, it's that or osmosis. oops... i was too slow. lol

'its all heading south' is such a kind reward for we who recall youth.

Maintain the horse stance!!!!! No. It is time to go home. My horse stands waiting.

brain blows to pieces is one hell of a line for starting next haiku

cheeks on this toilet hanging on since chased by a sixty pound raccoon

Hello, narveen. I'm glad you are here.

Yeah.. back when he was posting as Sree - said he was a day-trader on the stock exchange. The Lobby intro post for narveen creates a whole newbie story. Kinda fun to watch, but kinda sad too. Hey narveen - why not just drop all the bull and share with us from your heart? You might be surprised if you give us a chance.

Yes, unlike closet-misogynistic left wing Liberals who support women's rights - but only for those women who agree with them politically.