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reading it a bit, seems to show they got there Russian patent in August 2015. So its been around over a year, they probably needed years of work before patent. In they keep talking about creating isotopes of this that and gold. Is that saying they can create gold or isotopes of gold. My very limited understanding is that an isotope of an element is not the element, rather the element plus extra stuff (like neutrons). There's a chance they're taking gold putting it through chemical and biological processes and ending up with gold and gold isotopes. Great, but not exactly turning lead into gold. The papers seem mostly not about gold but uranium and radioactive elements. The paper I perused were talking mg's and mostly dealing with radioactive elements that are already decomposing. From what I read, I wouldn't sell my gold just yet. On the other hand the approach may well lead to better ways of dealing and breaking down radioactive materials.

In this heavy dimension we live in, we have (through training) supreme power to change our minds and moods, with skillful means to control our fate. Our bodies, we can affect but it's hard to escape ones genetics. Every cell has a built in time bomb, it'll replicate this many times, before it stops or goes Frankenstein. If we throw out the stories/legends of the past, the reality seems to be excellent living- taoist, yogic, athletic, provides much much healthier life, but not so much extraordinarily longer ones. Healthy and alert in 70's, 80's, in a few cases even 90's. A few genetic superstars who do better, but the centenarian's I've seen don't look very good. This came up in a Q & A in an ashram I was at. Does yoga make you live longer. The yogic life is great vegetarian diet, exercise, worship, low stress; yet with all that the swami, said no. You live a better healthier life, but not necessarily longer. That point was driven home by the founder the ashram had recently had a stroke. He was taken around in a wheel chair to observe the place, he wasn't very old, but was paralyzed, which was very sad. To me the lesson is, bad luck, genetics happen. In these discussion people will mention an alleged 256 year old Taoist, but he is dead. His kids are dead, his grandkids are dead, his many wives, all dead. What ever secret he had (he liked horny goat weed) doesn't seem to be replicable. Actually this is getting off subject though. In the OP I was hoping to get a feeling for peoples length of practice.

from damdao- http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/42798-phd-evgeny-atorchinov-greatest-russian-scientist/?p=725746 .. Some links: http://www.kheper.ne...d_internal.html http://www.kheper.ne..._and_magic.html http://www.kheper.ne...sm/Mystfem.html

Quotes from EA Torchino's works mentioned- http://www.kheper.net/topics/Taoism/science_and_magic.html "This paper is dedicated to the problem of the attitudes of the great Chinese alchemist Ge Hong (284-363 or 283-343 CE) towards science within the frame of his Daoist world view.. ..In chapter 4th (Jin dan) of the BPZNP he states that drugs made from minerals and metallic substances are much more useful than the herbal ones. The herbal drugs are weak and the strong heat destroys them but minerals and metals are strong and stable: for example, the heat can not destroy cinnabar which changes itself into the «water silver», or mercury. After this statement, Ge Hong notes that ordinary people do not know even such simple things as the origin of the cinnabar (Hg S) in the mercury. They say that cinnabar is red and the mercury is white and so, it is impossible that the white substance produces the red one. The second aspect of this passage is more interesting. Ge Hong declares that the common people («worldly people», or shi ren) are ignorant even of such things as the nature of the cinnabar and so, it is not surprising that they do not believe in such subtle things as the way of immortality. I think that this Ge Hong’s statement has crucial character for understanding of his attitude towards the connections between the Daoist «mystics» of immortality and the «positive» knowledge: for him the Daoist teachings about the immortals and the practices of the obtaining of immortality and supernatural powers have no mystical, or irrational characters at all. They have no less «positive» nature than medicine or chemical knowledge about the composition of cinnabar and other substances. And if it is true, this knowledge is very different (and even opposite in nature) from the superstitious beliefs in popular gods and spirits with their shamanistic bloody and expensive rites and the ways of worship." from the first pdf mentioned- 3. Ge Hong enumerates the following aims of the shou yi practices: protection from demoniac attacks and influences, protection from armed enemies, protection from ilness and infections. Therefore, it can be supposed that the function of these practices is purely protective. But some passages from chapter 18 of BPZNP relate the contemplative techniques of the Preservation of the One to the leading theme of Ge Hong’s discourse (i.e., obtaining of longevity and immortality). For example: «The only method of the prolongation of life and attainment of the state of immortal is but the way of Gold and Cinnabar; the only method to preserve one’s body and to cut off the evil influences is [contemplation] of the True One. Therefore the ancients extremely seriously treated such affairs.»

I'd prefer a more reputable site with more reputable science review before I'd believe the claim. On the other hand we've been Making Diamonds! for decades, but they're small, its labor and energy intensive and it's not very lucrative. Yet.. as far as I know.

I collect guided meditations. One I like is Evening Inventory Meditation (by Stin, My Meditation Station). Like most hypnotic scripts it starts with a relaxation induction then it has you recall, what you regret, where you fell short, what you showed impatience and were rudeness. You can't learn from what you hide from. Emotions buried will resurface, in our actions or with physical symptoms. When angry be angry, sad- be sad, grieving- cry. Don't necessarily feed them, but don't run either. We shouldn't over intellectual or try to solve our feelings, most often we just ought to be. Addon> Maybe this is doing what Shad282 said not to, ie don't just say accept. So here's a method reportedly from the yogic tradition for dealing with strong negative emotion. When you not in an emotional state. Bring up something strong and negative, remember it felt. Then let it go. Repeat a few times. Anger anger anger, relax, empty your mind, then go back and forth. Or do it with sadness; sad, not sad, repeat. Get the hang of dealing with strong emotions then ending them on command by practicing them when you're not being controlled by them.

That's great. People forget or disregard the easy things. Chanting runs deep. Sacred sounds can affect mind body and spirit. One should never shower without them .

What I find interesting is that fate is not entirely unscientific without serious merit. Stories of separated twins going on to lead strangely similar lives right down to careers, hobbies, wives and childrens names are abundant and are frequent beyond chance. We might be able to call it some kind of genetic disposition, but that may not be so far from Daoist version of fate. Particularly interesting is Daoist is concepts of luck. Which Taomeow is much more knowledgeable then most.

Not well known, but in the Old Testament there is a practice (not done now) where you burn a small piece of sacred writing (generally not allowed), mix the ashes with water and drink. If nothing happens then you're cleared of a particular sin, mostly adultery.

In celebrating the man, can you point to anything he's pioneered? What made him great? Any particular aspects of Taoism did he work on and try to spread? To what extent is he the Russian 'Thomas Cleary' who is reknown for translating many Taoist and Buddhists classics into English. Is there any special specific philosophy or practice that he wanted the world to know?

Interesting. Course its not hard to make water more alkaline with things you already have in your house, dropping in a lemon wedge(** add lemons and let it sit for 8-12 hours overnight at room), a dash of baking soda etc., Course Kangen might be a different animal then that. see- http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Alkaline-Water

FWIW, there is more leeway in PPD's, but if they're used to insult other members and groups, they can be liable for Moderator actions. Generally most people are cool and it doesn't come up. We like conversation and debate, we don't like name calling or getting personal.

Food for thought. Truthfulness.. Daeluin posted this in another thread- (from tl Thomas Cleary, from Taoist Classics Volume 4, I Ching Mandalas, Arcana-- Lo Writing (Lo Shu) When truthfulness is based on kindness, forming the final link in the circle, you are steadfast and unwavering; true will appears, and wandering attention quiets down. Celestial and mundane intentions combine, so that you can be joyful, angry, sad, or pleased, all without selfish desire. Here's the longer quote- Truthfulness, Liu continues, has the meaning of true belief: "Truly believe in kindness, and you can be kind. Truly believe in justice, and you can be just. Truly believe in courtesy, and you can be courteous. Truly believe in wisdom, and you can be wise. Truthfulness alone can be kindness, justice, courtesy, and wisdom, all according to the changes that take place in the mind." Pursuing the definition of truthfulness to a deeper level, Liu calls it the means to restore the primal and equates the experience of the return of the primal with truth. For a practical expression of truthfulness as a means, Liu turns to a section of the Taoist classic Tao-te Ching traditionally used as a meditation guide: "In a flash of enlightenment, something is there. In the utter darkness, vitality is there. That vitality is very real, at its center is a truth." This truth, Liu says, is the experience of the return of the primal, attained through profound abstraction. Liu also uses the scheme of the five virtues to elaborate on the outgrowth of this return to truth, or restoration of the primal. When wisdom is based on truthfulness, he says, knowledge is not used randomly; you are free from greed and ambition, your mind is peaceful and its energy is harmonious. Then you are pleased with reality and produce courtesy from within wisdom. When courtesy is based on wisdom, you can harmonize with those unlike yourself and you do not do anything discourteous; impatience sublimates, so that you no longer become angry but instead become just. When justice is based on courtesy, Liu continues, you are just without bias, able to adapt to changes while following guidelines in your actions. Then you delight in good and develop kindness. When kindness is based on justice, you are kind without being weak, as good as possible, without evil, sincerely whole-hearted, without duplicity. Then you are free from selfish desires and are therefore truthful. When truthfulness is based on kindness, forming the final link in the circle, you are steadfast and unwavering; true will appears, and wandering attention quiets down. Celestial and mundane intentions combine, so that you can be joyful, angry, sad, or pleased, all without selfish desire.

An old crazy/wise member (RJ) once stated 'How will your practice help you, after you are dead?' A very provocative question. Some of the deeper levels of dreamwork may provide answers but I don't know. Unfortunately, I have little natural talent for it.

I didn't know much about Vitalii and his school, but the little I did had my respect. His always seemed sincere and well cultivated in a balanced way.

SeekerOfHealing, on 10 Dec 2016 - 12:21 PM, said: DriftingThroughInfinity: Best response sofar. Just so we're on the same page.. I believe SeekerofHealing was talking about herbs that help the liver..

I'm 52 and my Dad can still be like that. So.. skillful means, often its agreeing with what they say; helped along by a strong conviction of 'it really doesn't matter'. Other times saying the opposite of what I believe so when he disagrees I'll be secretly smiling.

Good sleep is so important. One that I don't take for granted being a lifelong insomniac. Lately I've been doing better, though like alcoholism one is never totally free from it. I assume what's been helping me lately is getting up early in the morning, while it dark, then getting outside and watching the sunrise. This is good, not just metaphysically, but a little activity and bright light early in the morning might be the ticket to properly setting up the biorhythms. You know what else. Laying immediately on my right side (heart up) to clear the right nostril, then flipping to left side (stomach up, better digestion) to clear the left nostril, then lying flat and or flipping around, has helped. That, and earlier to bed, by 11 pm, less to worry about lately, even a new pillow have all been helping me fall asleep. What do you guys do to help fall asleep? Any particular rituals?

Wish I could. I only get that feeling in the morning, before I have to get up. For me, too often the night is full of itch and ideas..

Maybe, depending on the person, the photo and the intent.

Saintly & Wise> Rara, on 08 Dec 2016 - 12:01 PM, said: ... I can now say, and hear it from me - there is nothing better than a slower, more empty life. Appreciate the empty spaces in life and use them to cultivate kindness. In the world, despite there being so many wonderful things, there is so much chaos and hurt. Hear it from me...people don't want to be lectured, nor do they want to fight...but they may not know another way. Let's not try and change the world, that's futile, but we can always be the best that we can be. Bring kindness, it comes from a place inside that will lead to one's own longevity, whilst making others feel good. What a nice life for everyone!

Effliang, very scholarly and alot to digest. Thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed account of your system.

I wish I had more consistency and sticktoitiveness in my life. Consistency tends to be at the heart of learning. Though lately the exercise program I'm doing stresses listening to your body. Keeping a relatively low heart beat, for me 130, a pace where repair keeps pace with effort. So I'm working out most days instead of needing as many rest days. Leaving the exercise floor, feeling strong. Still, the old demon Laziness is waiting.. waiting for me to justify more rest days and avoid doing what I need to.

I'm with Rene, even though I'm Jewish. Santa as the spirit of giving and celebration, personified. No mushrooms needed

For years I'd dismiss that as some kind of silly cliche; these days I understand it as very smart practical advice.