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Greetings Memeito, Welcome to the site. You should find lots of discussion on different methods here. Jump right in. We're an eclectic philosophy forum for learning, discussing and cultivation. Below are 3 important sections: Our Rules, The Insult Policy and our 3 Foundations. Before you join give them a read. Most of it boils down to being respectful. No name calling or trolling. Post as if your mom's looking over your shoulder. Discussion and arguments are what the board is about. Keep it civil, don't get personal. Don't be a troll or one issue zealot. We're here for good conversation and making some friends along the way, to be a community. Jump right in, start threads, ask questions, look for interesting threads and post your (relevant) thoughts. For the first week you will be restricted to ten posts per day but after that you can post as much as you like. 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That's why, once I perfect my time machine. I'm going back and killing my 3rd to last self. Before I shoot I'll say 'That's for all the pain and misery you've caused me, ya bastard'.

I find it hard distilling the GF into specific meditative exercises. Going over my notes from various sources I read this- 'SINCE HEART AND BREATH ARE MUTUALLY DEPENDENT, THE CIRCULATION OF THE LIGHT MUST BE UNITED WITH THE RHYTHM OF BREATHING. When you breathe out, let the light go out of your eyes When you breathe in, let the light go back inside. Make a connection between your breathing and your light circulation. This way you will give some work to your breathing so it need not have any other imagination. This is an imagination – you have given something. That’s why Lu-tsu says: Man CANNOT BE WITHOUT IMAGININGS – not in the beginning at least. It is only at the highest peak that imagination can be dropped. But we can use it, we can make a stepping-stone of it. Imagine that when your breath is going out, your light is going out. When you breathe in, your light goes in. Try it in a simple way: when you breathe out, just feel all the light that was in being thrown out. And when you breathe in, feel all the light of the existence entering you. And soon the imagination will become joined together with your breathing, will be welded with breathing. So you have used imagination. And then slowly slowly, let your breathing become calmer and quieter. There is no need to practise any particular rhythm as they do in yoga, PRANAYAMA, because each person has to find his own way. The body is different, the mind is different – your breathing cannot be alike; you will have to find your own way slowly slowly. One thing has to be kept in mind: that it has to be made calm and quiet and musical.' While the above comes from a problematic source- Osho, its something to try. Part of my practice is a period of sitting in with eyes half open, breathing as quietly as possible. I could add this visualization to it. Stay with it for awhile, then let it go. See how it feels after a few weeks.

Sometimes its nice to separate breath work from meditation, ie work on breathing patterns then when you meditate it's longer and smoother because of the breathwork. There are many apps for people to create there own pattern. Breathing Mantra on youtube has lots of nice 30 minute breath cycles. Equal in out. 3 way. 4 way 'box' breathing. Lots of timings and variations. Plus nice tones. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnGh6CcWVAv2GpiiOj3nGYQ

which w/ the help of google translate becomes looking for people who want to help me. I am a student and I think there is no teacher around me. I'm looking for someone who can answer my questions when I have questions. In all honesty, my goal is to become immortal, and I have learned that if you cultivate, you can become one. why don't I look for it when I have questions? because when I look for it there are several opinions and I don't know which one is right or right for me. Welcome to the board Mr King0112, as far as I know, we have no immortals here, just members practicing different cultivation arts. They can talk about and give advice about their practices but no secrets to immortality. Unless you guys are holding out on me . We're an eclectic philosophy forum for learning, discussing and cultivation. Below are 3 important sections: Our Rules, The Insult Policy and our 3 Foundations. Before you join give them a read. Most of it boils down to being respectful. No name calling or trolling. Post as if your mom's looking over your shoulder. Discussion and arguments are what the board is about. Keep it civil, don't get personal. Don't be a troll or one issue zealot. We're here for good conversation and making some friends along the way, to be a community. Jump right in, start threads, ask questions, look for interesting topics and post your (relevant) thoughts. For the first week you will be restricted to ten posts per day but after that you can post as much as you like. Also, until you’ve posted fifteen times in the forums, you’ll be a “Junior Bum” with somewhat restricted access and will be allowed only two private messages per day. TDB team At your leisure, please review-

with 3 kids a year apart, I heard 'that's not fair'.. quite a bit. Thus (as a bad dad) I learned to reply 'Fair is for bears..' Generally, they hated that statement but over the years have come to accept it. And now when they're complaining, I'll give'em a look, and they'll say 'yeah yeah fair is for bears'. On the other hand, when I complain, I get 'Suck it up Dad!'. sometime you get the bear.. sometimes the bear gets you.

Hi Marcus V, you'll have to tell us more about your practice. Some standing practices are tied to the elements, others are based on famous zhan zhuang postures. Good to have you on board. I'd also love to know how things are going in warm sunny Brazil. Everyone is so cooped up, it'd be interesting to know how different countries/groups are dealing with it. We're an eclectic philosophy forum for learning, discussing and cultivation. Below are 3 important sections: Our Rules, The Insult Policy and our 3 Foundations. Before you join give them a read. Most of it boils down to being respectful. No name calling or trolling. Post as if your mom's looking over your shoulder. Discussion and arguments are what the board is about. Keep it civil, don't get personal. Don't be a troll or one issue zealot. We're here for good conversation and making some friends along the way, to be a community. Jump right in, start threads, ask questions, look for interesting threads and post your (relevant) thoughts. For the first week you will be restricted to ten posts per day but after that you can post as much as you like. Also, until you’ve posted fifteen times in the forums, you’ll be a “Junior Bum” with somewhat restricted access and will be allowed only two private messages per day. TDB team At your leisure, please review-

Welcome Cully, Great to have a longtime yoga practitioners here. Quite people look to far away practices when there are so many excellent yoga groups out there. Course wasn't that long ago Yoga was the exotic foreign practice. Welcome to the site. We're an eclectic philosophy forum for learning, discussing and cultivation. Below are 3 important sections: Our Rules, The Insult Policy and our 3 Foundations. Before you join give them a read. Most of it boils down to being respectful. No name calling or trolling. Post as if your mom's looking over your shoulder. Discussion and arguments are what the board is about. Keep it civil, don't get personal. Don't be a troll or one issue zealot. We're here for good conversation and making some friends along the way, to be a community. Jump right in, start threads, ask questions, look for interesting threads and post your (relevant) thoughts. For the first week you will be restricted to ten posts per day but after that you can post as much as you like. Also, until you’ve posted fifteen times in the forums, you’ll be a “Junior Bum” with somewhat restricted access and will be allowed only two private messages per day. TDB team At your leisure, please review-

Which desire screws us up the worst? Is it lust? Which has its healthy side. Finding a mate. Or power? Again, has its good points. I'll vote desire for 'comfort/against working hard'. Personally, I think that's hurt me more then desiring lust or power.

Hi Shadow-self, freeform is an impressive writer and person. You have many worthy goals. Glad to have you here. I did a seminar, many years ago w/ Max Christensen. While Kunlun didn't become a main practice, it was a great experience and its nice to have a system of spontaneous qigong under my belt. For Bardon's stuff I've found Rawn Clark works to be very helpful. Not just his notes on the IIH, but he has many Bardon inspired practices see- http://abardoncompanion.de/ Welcome to the site. We're an eclectic philosophy forum for learning, discussing and cultivation. Below are 3 important sections: Our Rules, The Insult Policy and our 3 Foundations. Before you join give them a read. Most of it boils down to being respectful. No name calling or trolling. Post as if your mom's looking over your shoulder. Discussion and arguments are what the board is about. Keep it civil, don't get personal. Don't be a troll or one issue zealot. We're here for good conversation and making some friends along the way, to be a community. Jump right in, start threads, ask questions, look for interesting threads and post your (relevant) thoughts. For the first week you will be restricted to ten posts per day but after that you can post as much as you like. Also, until you’ve posted fifteen times in the forums, you’ll be a “Junior Bum” with somewhat restricted access and will be allowed only two private messages per day. TDB team At your leisure, please review-

Hi, its interesting seeing those who start out in the healing arts and those who start in the martial arts. Ultimately I hope the routs come together or at least the martial art verve's into healing. Often it does. Welcome to the site, Sightseer. We're an eclectic philosophy forum for learning, discussing and cultivation. Below are 3 important sections: Our Rules, The Insult Policy and our 3 Foundations. Before you join give them a read. Most of it boils down to being respectful. No name calling or trolling. Post as if your mom's looking over your shoulder. Discussion and arguments are what the board is about. Keep it civil, don't get personal. Don't be a troll or one issue zealot. We're here for good conversation and making some friends along the way, to be a community. Jump right in, start threads, ask questions, look for interesting threads and post your (relevant) thoughts. For the first week you will be restricted to ten posts per day but after that you can post as much as you like. Also, until you’ve posted fifteen times in the forums, you’ll be a “Junior Bum” with somewhat restricted access and will be allowed only two private messages per day. TDB team At your leisure, please review-

As another Hoffer, welcome to the board. I find qigong affects to be subtle, whereas Wim Hof stuff is tangible and strong. Not that one is better but a big difference between them. We've got tons of threads on various styles and aspects of qigong, and a couple on Wim Hof. Here's a blog I made when I started it- https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/39544-wim-hof-method/ I look forward to learning about your experiences with it and qigong. We're an eclectic philosophy forum for learning, discussing and cultivation. Below are 3 important sections: Our Rules, The Insult Policy and our 3 Foundations. Before you join give them a read. Most of it boils down to being respectful. No name calling or trolling. Post as if your mom's looking over your shoulder. Discussion and arguments are what the board is about. Keep it civil, don't get personal. Don't be a troll or one issue zealot. We're here for good conversation and making some friends along the way, to be a community. Jump right in, start threads, ask questions, look for interesting threads and post your (relevant) thoughts. For the first week you will be restricted to ten posts per day but after that you can post as much as you like. Also, until you’ve posted fifteen times in the forums, you’ll be a “Junior Bum” with somewhat restricted access and will be allowed only two private messages per day. TDB team At your leisure, please review-

In a lecture Michael Winn said that in the West they think thoughts come first and lead to emotion, whereas Daoists believe emotions come first, and lead to thoughts. If my head was full of music then emotion would be the bass line. The beat that sets the tone of my thoughts. Both mistaken for I.

Hi Shi sheng, sounds like you've been cultivating for many years. A warm welcome to the board. We're an eclectic philosophy forum for learning, discussing and cultivation. Below are 3 important sections: Our Rules, The Insult Policy and our 3 Foundations. Before you join give them a read. Most of it boils down to being respectful. No name calling or trolling. Post as if your mom's looking over your shoulder. Discussion and arguments are what the board is about. Keep it civil, don't get personal. Don't be a troll or one issue zealot. We're here for good conversation and making some friends along the way, to be a community. Jump right in, start threads, ask questions, look for interesting threads and post your (relevant) thoughts. For the first week you will be restricted to ten posts per day but after that you can post as much as you like. Also, until you’ve posted fifteen times in the forums, you’ll be a “Junior Bum” with somewhat restricted access and will be allowed only two private messages per day. TDB team At your leisure, please review-

Hello and Welcome Hopefulbalance, Having young kids is exhausting on every level but worth it, they outgrow old problems and find new ones. Meditation should help you. The low growing fruit of it is imo, guided meditations.. Look around Youtube for them, listen a little and see what voice and type speak to you. Perhaps try Kim Walsh's she got a lilting relaxing voice. Course that's no substitute for learning to sit. Just sitting, relaxed.. letting your mind empty. That's sitting meditation. There's fancier stuff but most of us start and end, with just sitting and letting go. Once you can sit quietly for awhile you can get fancy. Some of us are doing Damo Mitchell's free course of MicroCosmic Orbit https://damomitchell.com/2020/03/23/microcosmic-orbit/, there are other free courses out there on youtube. For health you can learn a qigong form. Here's a short simple one, Pangu that I like- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lZVdt8t2WQ&t=141s We're an eclectic philosophy forum for learning, discussing and cultivation. Below are 3 important sections: Our Rules, The Insult Policy and our 3 Foundations. Before you join give them a read. Most of it boils down to being respectful. No name calling or trolling. Post as if your mom's looking over your shoulder. Discussion and arguments are what the board is about. Keep it civil, don't get personal. Don't be a troll or one issue zealot. We're here for good conversation and making some friends along the way, to be a community. Jump right in, start threads, ask questions, look for interesting threads and post your (relevant) thoughts. For the first week you will be restricted to ten posts per day but after that you can post as much as you like. Also, until you’ve posted fifteen times in the forums, you’ll be a “Junior Bum” with somewhat restricted access and will be allowed only two private messages per day. TDB team At your leisure, please review- abcabcabcabcabcabcabcabc

no particular lineages.. From a mystical viewpoint.. I enjoy doing Abulafiah's Kabbalah or it's modern version as 'Ecstatic Kabbalah' from Rabbi David Cooper. It's more sacred sounds then the complexity of what's usually considered Kabbalah. Actually not too far from Shinto chanting I'd do during winter Misogi training or chanting done at an Ashram, though the meanings are more familiar.. ringing to my.. lineage. Last year I took some classes in Mussar. Traditional Jewish wisdom.. interesting for its Stoic resonance. Exploring a virtue each month. Reading stories and philosophies on its positive and negative aspects. Where one lands on its scale, too much, too little. Where one needs to evolve to. Intellectual and meditative practices on each virtue, to drive home the lessons. Most days in the shower stall I'll chant Rawn Clark's YHVH canticle, which, while from the Hermetic tradition is in Hebrew and includes a piece of mantra favored by my favorite rabbi, Rabbi Nachman of Breslov. Who was quite the mystic. Another Rabbi I favored just died, Jonathon Sacks. Brilliant man. To honor him I'm reading his book Essays on Ethics: A Weekly Reading on the Jewish Bible. An amazing sacred and humanist interpretation, which I'd consider a near impossible job, from a man as knowledgeable in philosophy and comparative religion as Jewish tomes. You wouldn't expect it, but he'll slip in prefrontal cortex allowing this and limbic system creating that. Quotes from DDJ as well as Alexis de Tocqueville. Interesting erudite stuff, yet readable and useful.

FWIW, my tradition (Judaism) pretty much says, while it (curses, spirits, dark magic..) may be out there, if you leave it alone, it leaves you alone. ie don't feed it.. ignore it and it'll go elsewhere. Maybe not helpful but some is real, some is not (or rather self creations), and perhaps some is a combination.

That strikes me as the answer of an experienced mature practitioner. When we begin, we're in it for the promise of power. Later we're even more verbose about how amazing our art and its teacher are. Many years later, we're mellow. It's what we do, our path.. it leads this way and we're keeping on.

Hi Nuralshamal, Genital weight lifting is certainly a practice for the careful hardcore. Ten or 15 years ago we had a few members who practiced it. Some thought it gave a boost in vitality, others it sent down in flames. These days we don't hear about it as much. Personally I'd love to hear about it's gentler 'cousin', ie Deer exercises. Welcome to the board. We're an eclectic philosophy forum for learning, discussing and cultivation. Below are 3 important sections: Our Rules, The Insult Policy and our 3 Foundations. Before you join give them a read. Most of it boils down to being respectful. No name calling or trolling. Post as if your mom's looking over your shoulder. Discussion and arguments are what the board is about. Keep it civil, don't get personal. Don't be a troll or one issue zealot. We're here for good conversation and making some friends along the way, to be a community. Jump right in, start threads, ask questions, look for interesting threads and post your (relevant) thoughts. For the first week you will be restricted to ten posts per day but after that you can post as much as you like. Also, until you’ve posted fifteen times in the forums, you’ll be a “Junior Bum” with somewhat restricted access and will be allowed only two private messages per day. TDB team At your leisure, please review-

I wouldn't be surprised if everyone at some point stumbled onto this, but never made it into a habit. Course how many questions can we come up with? <as always with dream/sleep practices comes sleepless nights, or less sleep. It tends to set up a bad mental feedback for me. But I'll keep trying>

This has the possibility of being profoundly powerful. Asking your subconscious self a question for it answer at bedtime, before going to sleep. Ask, expect an answer then let it go. This was in a Medium article- https://medium.com/the-ascent/a-profoundly-powerful-practice-to-include-in-your-nighttime-routine-f40867d7a3fd by Ashley Richmond '..You can ask for anything: For an answer to a specific question or problem To be more patient, calm, or tolerant with a certain situation or person To give you ideas for a project For inspiration when facing a creative block How to do it: Think of a problem you need to solve, an answer you need, a negotiation, a project or article idea, or even a book title. Just be sure to only focus on one specific thing you want answered. Ask for what you want, not what you don’t want. Be clear on what you want your subconscious to work on — go into specific detail of exactly what you would like to realise, create, understand. Write your request down for increased effectiveness. Try visualizing if appropriate. When you wake up, go back to your request and write whatever comes to you. Sometimes the answer will be immediately clear, and sometimes it’ll come once you start writing. Write before you do anything else, as thoughts produced during theta brain wave stages are vulnerable to quickly being lost. Remember, you might not see results right away. The first night I tried it, I had two epiphanies. But when I tried it again a few weeks later, nothing came to me. Persist until something happens. The subconscious is incredibly powerful. What goes on in the subconscious will manifest in the conscious, and will come true in your life. You have the ability to focus and direct this incredible power in whichever direction you choose, to provide answers, insights, or solutions, all while you’re asleep. Making a request to your subconscious before you go to bed each night will focus the subconscious workings onto that specific request. It’s an incredibly simple, yet profoundly powerful practice to include in your nighttime routine. You have the power to manifest the life you want. You just have to ask for it.' I think I'll try it and report back. Maybe other might want to.

speaking of edibles: For those over 21, mature and responsible, humblebundle.com has $1 ebook giveaway that includes 'Cannabis Cocktails, Mocktails & Tonics: The Art of Spirited Drinks and Buzz-Worthy Libations'-Cookbooks bundle. I got the book but haven't made any recipes yet. Actually I've never even purchased weed, but it is newly legal in my state. It's going to be a long winter so.. maybe. The book is written with love and cautions. As much for those who might use the plant for medical reasons as recreational. If you got hurt, particularly a chronic pain, having a tincture of marijuana available is not a bad idea. His drink recipes seem first rate too. Plus once you've made the book's butter, every baked good recipe can be..repurposed.

That is pretty ambitious. May I say, you have no time to waste. Do you have a path or plan laid out? Breaking it down, are there any first steps your working on. ie immaculate diet, long breath cycles.. 4 hour meditation sessions.. tumo?

Right and there are some schools, such as Freeform, Cleansox, Dmattwads are talking about that do just that. Thing is, different traditions have different definitions of what enlightenment is. Still those who've long practices should have a certain 'wah' about them. My definition is relatively low hanging fruit. I've known people, no special powers, living life w/ a sense of flow and peace, that is good enough for me. Though undoubtedly wouldn't pass mustard at old traditional schools, or some modern ones, where its all about the electricity/inner power.