thelerner

1>I'm usually willing to tough it out and take the harm and abuse of such practice. 2>I always try to save my Jing. ..... So far I have 8 1/2 ounces On the householder path (versus temple/monk) I don't think absolute vigilance is required or necessarily positive.

This was one of the simple but profound things I got out of Stilness-Movement. Moving my hands a few inches closer so they touched my tan tien. I've found it to be a positive energetic difference, versus the usual formal zen murdra (or relaxed in lap) I did for decades.

I'd agree with this, tummo goes very deep, which is why I mentioned a lower level as well as the higher. Still even the lower level, the ability to warm yourself can be a lifesaver. I also see it leading to greater healing. But that which can heal can also hurt, best to use caution and get some experienced instruction and feedback before taking it too deep.

Sometimes discusssions get a little heated here, particularly with high level, controversial teachers, but don't let that stop you. Don't hesitate to create new threads asking for the information you want. Likewise feel free to P(rivate) M(essage) people here who might have insights and real world experience.

I've found Michael Winn of the Healing Tao USA to be accessible and have solid instruction. He's a very good teacher and has high level instructors teach seminars there. Some teachers connect better then others. You can check out Winn on Youtube to see his teaching style (good one on Pan Gu chi gung form). Mantak Chia also has youtubes out there. Such video's can't completely capture a teachers presence, but they're better then nothing.

I can't help but think you still equate long posts with lots of extra spaces with proof. Here's what I think: For the record I don't think you're an arm chair practitioner. I'd know you're not if you simple put down a little about what your practice and hours you spent at it, or just the time spent. To me that is the best indication that separates the serious practitioner from the arm chair personnel. Which I've been tending to be lately, though it wasn't always thus. I don't know about popular teachers, but since I've talked and taken a seminar with him, I know Ya Mu has remarkable credentials of working closely with a rare master and more then most lives his practice. He's a healer who practices a healing gi gung and shares it in seminars. Fellow bums have gotten quite a bit from his practice. On this site, most often Mo Pai practitioners seem to diss and argue with each other and others. That one is aimed at you. I think you're overly defensive and it makes you and the system look insecure. I think that insecurity puts a chip on your shoulder and you're constantly on the attack. Also, imo get over the yin chi argument. How many times have you brought it up? 20 ,30, more(?) times, its a difference of opiinion in 2 different practices about something that's so emphemeral that it can't be readily seen or touched. About teachers. I'd admit someone saying they are doesn't necessarily mean much. But if they write with maturity and show experience that shows something. If a person or fellow members with some experience go to there classes and report that they're solid that means a little more. If members here have practiced there system for a while and report there progress that means even more. MPG your practice is quite mysterious. The system has publicly disavowed all Westerners. You've never named your teacher, you won't say what your practices are (even roughly). You won't say how much or how long you've practiced. Yet you want us to assume you know anything other then how to quarrel online?

Chang is the Lobby concierge, he writes something similar to most members. Welcome to the tao bums. People were just discussing a Jerry Johnson seminar and we've had discussions in the past about Master Liping. Hopefullly you can find someone with experience with both. Hmnn, there's probably a good joke to be made about Mr. Johnson and Master Wang going into a massage parlor.

On a more mundane level, there might only be 2 hours of 'sleep' but there's 6 or 8 hours meditation. So, the mind and body probably get time to chill.

Non magically I find elemental theory is very useful in making decisions. Dividing the factors into 'elemental' fire, water, air, earth and seeing how to respond. Magic wise, I've found Bardon't work fascinating. I've enjoyed reading Mistele and Rawn Clark. Rawn Clark has a very nice hermetic element system (free at abardoncompanion.com) called the Archaeous system. I lke it a lot, particularly listening to the practice while standing. Bardon hermetics talks of fire salamanders, water nymphs, earth gnomes.. Creatures the skilled and polite magician can converse with. I don't know how real such things are. They're so outside of my perceptions. They could be made up, and group imagined by those who 'work' at it. They could be all around us sharing or world, yet a dimension off, we lack the perception to see them. I don't know. When the 3rd eye is opened and developed does that give carte blanche to see such things?

I've found when I'm around 'high' level people, there's a buzz, you can capture some of there energy and keep going far longer then you would normally. Its a freaky effect,

Like good dance. Relaxed extension of limbs and consciousness.

I'd postulate some Zoroaster's ideas influenced Abrahamic religions. I wouldn't say they created them.

NO, No, no.. don't go there. What is it for in the end? - Thats the problem there is no end (of it)

So if someone could do strong tummo on a plane your theory would be wrong?

In olden days I did Winter Senshin training with the St Louis Ki Society. After a weekend intensive of martial arts and meditation it'd culminate in entering a running river in January. Very, very cold water. We'd enter like Aikidoist, relaxed and like it was no big deal. It was great experience, we'd walk to a nearby bed and breakfast and thaw and have a great meal. But if someone couldn't get warm, the instructor would have them do bellow breaths, very similar to what Wim Hof recommends. I only remember it happening once, but the persons color came back pretty quickly.

Welcome aboard. I look forward to your insights and contributions.

Huh, next you'll be claiming Santa Claus doesn't exist or that he doesn't drink coca cola. I'm not a Christian but I understand that humanity needs a holiday this time of year. Its cold and dark, we need a reason for brotherhood and good cheer.. lest we eat each other. So Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to All. May everyone celebrate the season and find warmth and happinesss with friends and family.

Its a good time to feel that way. A new year is coming. Time to start again fresh. You have 9 days to set a course and put in some practice before you set sail on a new path. Really grudges, biases.. we need to let them go. Allow them to die each night so we can begin fresh each morning. Forgotten, yet at times with a little fence in place. A fence that allows you not to push back against anything, just to set up boundaries that'll keep you safe. Much fighting is because we've put ourselves in a certain place and position. Avoid that place, keep the position to yourself or maybe state your truth and walk away. Trust the people and/or universe to decide, and let it go. Such advice is needed by myself, more then most. Thus I also apologize to all the people I've pissed and insulted this year, and apologize in advance to all those I'll piss off next year.

My Aikido sensei John Eley would perform similarly, same set up even similar language. No muscle. Ki. Relax.. more, more more. Use the nothing that is something. He had the knack to translate his whole body's force into an extended limb. Not only a devastating one inch punch, but also a no movement punch, where he'd slide inside and the attacker's floating rib would hit sensei's knuckle. Very painful for rib, since there was absolutely no give to the outstretched knuckle. I remember him saying 'A famous Tai Chi master told his students to use 2 ounces of force. I allow you to use 2 pounds.' Ofcourse such tricks are nice. Using them in a combat situation is not necessarily a given. If you wanted to play around with it, you could have a strong person in front of you. Spread you arms forward and outward and have the person grab your hands and keep you from moving them together. With muscle its hard. But if you take the mindset you've seen a fabulous play and just clap enthusiastically and repeatedly, you'll move your hands back and forth and the 'grabber' will flail around off balance. Similarly if someone is standing to your side and grabs your arm with two hands and yanks you side ways, it's extremely hard to resist, but if you think the attacker is your friend and he's beginning to fall off a cliff. A magic thing happens. As they pull, your elbow comes in and they get yanked forward, often off there feet. Zero effort, simple. Its fascinating how a different mindset can seemingly grant amazing power. At least in some situations. Again, when things get hot and heavy, muscle and mind tenses and the magic won't happen unless you have a lot of practice under your belt.

I wrote I had a new kettlebell and Sonofgods wrote this: Learn to use them the proper way they were created to work. Not the American way where you flip them onto the back of your wrist. They are to be balanced straight up, not laying on your wrist. If you progress onwards to the 100's, you will appreciate this advice. Any resources, books, youtubes or training routines you'd recommend? I'm a newbie with them. So far just doing 2 handed swings and front squats. I see some fancy stuff in youtubes, including many 'flip onto back of wrists' which would be too advanced for me right now anyway. Probably a purist would laugh at my sculpted kettlebell, but I think its cool and artistic. From demonbell.com, a 35#'er with the face of Japanese demon. I've made up 12 cards for it. Each w/ The Demons says you are: Lazy another says, Out of Shape, Weak, etc., and on the bottom of each is written 'Prove Him Wrong'. Each day I flip to a different card.

Thanks. You are hard core . I have one of Pavel's older books, Push Yourself to Power. I'm using his Grease the Groove principle to do swings and KB squats during the day; going for volume without tiring myself out. To keep a kettlebell straight on high lifts I'm gonna have to go for a lower weight. For all its good looks, they claim the demonbell design has a smoother, less angled back, so its better for the fore arms then the traditional ball shape. My 35# feels lighter after the initial week, but is heavier enough for now.

Interesting. A call for boxers over briefs, cotton over synthetics, or no underwear at all. Hmnn.

Don't care if its selfish or selfless. More important to help those who need it. Philosophy be damned.

You like Gary Clyman. I've seen him talk, he's a remarkable marketer and self promoter. He has some juice, but imo he's a very poor role model. My opinion from seeing him. Not my cup of soup. There's a whole world of learning out there. Teachers who aren't on the power trip, yet they'll explain how to live a life better. Wisdom is placed on a higher level then 'powers'. There's room for both but I've found there's more craziness on the 'power's side'.

Its like you think the more space you waste during a post the better your position will look. The fact that you're even writing about how his power blast would liquefy bones and internal organs, means your looking at the art from an immature angle, thinking of it as a path to Dragonball Z, instead of a cultivation practice. I think Westerners are banned from it for particularly that reason. They want to be Gohan instead a humble practitioner. Its not the art that's being criticized. Its your interpretation of it. I'm not even sure if you practice it. You're not into discussing the actual practice or philosophy of Mo Pai, just into fighting about it. And talking theories about what a level 50 could do, when you don't know any level 50's.. or 40's or 30's or 20's or 10's or 5's(?) or whatever.