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I thought this had good enough info to share on another link: https://ourworldindata.org/ https://www.medicinenet.com The most common signs of having the virus percentage wise. I'd like to find a similar chart on recovery time, including weeks and sadly no recover %. I'm impressed w/ medicinenet.com from the site- Colds: Doctors recommend rest, fluids, and over-the-counter (OTC) medications like ibuprofen (Advil) and acetaminophen (Tylenol). No vaccine is available for the common cold. Flu: Early treatment with an antiviral drug like oseltamivir (Tamiflu), rest, fluids, and acetaminophen and respiratory support can help if flu symptoms become severe. Vaccines are available to reduce symptoms or prevent the flu. COVID-19: Medical professionals recommend rest, fluids, acetaminophen, and respiratory support if COVID-19 symptoms become severe. Antiviral drug and vaccine research is very active but none are currently available. Antibiotics are not indicated for these three viral diseases. However, they may be useful if secondary bacterial infections. & COVID-19 (2019 novel coronavirus) The Wuhan coronavirus (also termed COVID-19, 2019 novel coronavirus, 2019-nCoV, and others) is a single-stranded, positive-sense RNA coronavirus. It is a new strain (only found and named about 2½ months ago) of coronavirus (the term corona means crown) responsible for causing a pandemic of serious respiratory problems that started in Wuhan, China . Researchers believe it originated from infected animals and jumped over to infecting people in a large open seafood/animal market. Also, it has been able to spread from person to person and has spread to over 100 countries in about 2 months. It is related to the SARS and MERS coronaviruses. It has an incubation period ranging from 2-14 days. Person-to-person spread may happen even if the infected person has no symptoms during the incubation period. Infected people may also not be aware they have the virus and may not show symptoms. The main symptoms of COVID-19 are fever (usually high), moderate to severe coughing, and shortness of breath. At first, it seemed to target people over 60 years old and have severe underlying health conditions like heart disease, lung disease, and diabetes, but recent data from Italy suggests that people 20-60 years of age may get the disease at about the same rate. About 80% recover without specific treatment, while about 20% may require some respiratory support (oxygen and/or ventilator support).

These things must look incredible live, where you see and get a feeling for all the dimensionality of the work. Most cool. I'll have to check if she has any displays in Chicago. Not that they'd be open these days.

Me. You Can't Handle The Truth. or maybe you can. personally i find people who've found The Truth have only found a truth. one that's right for them. later you find newer truths make you discard earlier ones. i only have room for 2 truths and a pocketful of maybes that help me through the day.

Wondering where to drop this. Its an article from History.com on 5 of History's Worst Pandemics. Interesting but depressive read- https://www.history.com/news/pandemics-end-plague-cholera-black-death-smallpox ".. The plague never really went away, and when it returned 800 years later, it killed with reckless abandon. The Black Death, which hit Europe in 1347, claimed an astonishing 200 million lives in just four years. .. As for how to stop the disease, people still had no scientific understanding of contagion, says Mockaitis, but they knew that it had something to do with proximity. That’s why forward-thinking officials in Venetian-controlled port city of Ragusa decided to keep newly arrived sailors in isolation until they could prove they weren’t sick. At first, sailors were held on their ships for 30 days, which became known in Venetian law as a trentino. As time went on, the Venetians increased the forced isolation to 40 days or a quarantino, the origin of the word quarantine and the start of its practice in the Western world. .. London never really caught a break after the Black Death. The plague resurfaced roughly every 20 years from 1348 to 1665—40 outbreaks in 300 years. And with each new plague epidemic, 20 percent of the men, women and children living in the British capital were killed.." take away?? Praise science, modern hygiene, clean water, indoor plumbing, antibiotics. The doctors, nurses and researchers of all nations, on the frontlines, saving lives.

my writing and perspective on the virus moves in and out, depending on my focus. Street view, I see the fear, the personal loss, all the devastations, the virus will bring; personal, national, world wide, the loss of life and loved ones. The economic pain which creates fear, deprivation and suffering. Moving internally I get 'What ever will be will be'. Highly probable live, or die, this will come, go, become another memory. Cold and dispassionate, I see it in numbers. Comparing it with all the other things that kill us. The many lethal things we rarely fear because they're familiar.

Here's a bunch of free or cheap sci fi books available on kindle. Thus you can download the app and read them on your computer or phone. I see Dune is available for $1.99. https://www.bookbub.com/ebook-deals/science-fiction-ebooks . When I order from Amazon, if its not needed immediately I press the ship later option and that usually gets me 1 to 3 bucks of emoney from them. Which allows me to get cheap ebooks for free. and for a large collection of free or cheap ebooks- https://www.bookbub.com/ebook-deals/latest The app Overdrive can connect you to your local library where you have a wide variety of ebooks & audiobooks that can be downloaded, for a few weeks, for free. If you have a library card.

you're kidding right. You think 90% of humans would kill you for a roll of toilet paper? That's pretty dark. even I wouldn't kill you for less then 3 rolls of TP and bottle of Purell.

I can't do much about world suffering**, but we try to be close to our neighbors. <I don't love my neighbors but will go out of the way for them, cause thats being neighborly. I wish all neighborhoods had block parties, where you got to sit down and eat with together> in my book, god bless those 'fakers' who go out and help there neighbors during the crisis. need is need. you don't have to be perfect or have perfect motivations to lend a hand. **this may rile up some folks but we give to Heifer monthly in the hopes of relieving some hunger. imperfect but.. its what we do.

Even luckier before 1959, when they were all copper, ie the 'wheaties'. Some of the masks I've seen for printing out used copper wire for that very reason, the anti-bacterial affects. I was wondering if silver would be even better? If in the future, the gift of choice would be a silver cloth face mask.. More real.. just got some zinc & C lozenges for the family to suck on if anyone starts feeling sick.

That's not the question for me these days. Rather its, does my neighbor need help or a friendly word? If so, get up and help them.

I'm trying sorcery2

Yes, he became an ascetic. Then after 6 six years he left that path to found his middle way. If healthy one of the best things we can do is help others. Particularly neighbors who are elderly. Make sure they're fine, help'em picking up groceries if needed. A little conversation even if its by phone is immensely important for those self isolating. Trying times work out best when we all work together. This gives us reason and opportunity to reach out to friends and family we haven't talk to in a long while.

The China stats are wonderful, a hopeful sign for the world. But, is it a country of wood, inhabited by walking match sticks? Will the low rate of infection continue or is it an aberration; one that'll flare up again as quarantine breaks. We will see. Without herd immunity is there any long term safety? Without a safe vaccine available? At a webinar about covid, a doctor who presented told my wife that 80% of new cases were caught from asymptomatic people.

At our best, we, the forum, don't insult each other. but people is people if we learn something here. get inspired. make a friendly connection, that matters. especially now.

On Feb 12th the Dalai Lama canceled all his public engagements due to the virus**- So the above pic could be an old photo. Generally he's pretty pro-science. Francis the pope- He's been praying for the Virus to go away. Questionable, but such is part of his job. Offering words of hope and unity in the crisis. He's cancelled big group get togethers in Churchs, but he's also recommended his priests to go with health workers to visit the sick, which is questionable. Along with having families take advantage of time together. He has talked about hugging, which is questionable, though in context it was more like hug your family, not strangers. **The Dalai Lama has canceled all his public engagements until further notice due to the “deteriorating outbreak” of the coronavirus, according to a statement from his office. “His Holiness will not be doing any public engagements for now until further notice due to coronavirus," the Dalai Lama’s secretary, Tenzing Taklha, told CNN. Read the full statement from the Dalai Lama’s office: “An announcement was made recently regarding the ordination ceremony for monks. However due to the deteriorating outbreak of the viral disease (Coronavirus- 2019 nCoV) that originated in China, His Holiness’ personal physician as well as consultants have advised a postponement of all public engagement for the time being, and His Holiness has duly agreed to further postpone his public schedule. Hence the ordination ceremony for the monks will be rescheduled and the announcement will be made shortly afterwards. We hope for your understanding in the matter. February 12, 2019.”

Blast from the past, 2005 we rocked & rolled. A mere 15 years ago.

I'd be willing to bet if you asked 1,000 lawmakers of all stripes what the 100 biggest problems facing them are. You'd have zero mention the enlightened or rainbow bodied persons. My thinking is its just not on there radar. There are so many real world problems they have to deal with that looking out for Syd who's been in that cave for 12 years or Buddy who's been sitting under that Bodhi tree for 6 1/2 weeks.. I am sure they wouldn't care. In truth your high end spiritual people, except for the crazier Cadillac or Apocalypse now types don't cause trouble.

Just back from Trader Joe's myself. They had ground chicken and ground turkey, lots of other meats but no ground beef, not even in the frozen section, but they did have frozen burgers- beef or turkey. No hand disinfectant or toilet paper; they did have a sign up in that section saying 'Please don't hoard'. Imo there's no shortage, just people grabbing too many. Other then that they seemed fully stocked. It was medium crowded. To my dismay, no free snacks, but that should been predictable. I didn't get no flowers either, but I like Trader Joes for there friendly service and for most things, they have only 1 type, thus its efficient. Grab and go, whereas a regular grocery store with 14 different jars of peanut butter has me reading labels, considering size, relative economics, motives & lifestyles of my children.. They had hand disinfectant sprayer when you walked in and to use at check out. Also wipes next to the carts.

I won't disagree, but the strategy here is to slow down the 'slope' of the bell curve. So hospitals get less overwhelmed. This virus may be like an ocean surge against a dike, but making the dike a little higher and plugging some holes gives people (hospitals) time to prepare for the deluge. In this case it means spreading it out so more hospital beds and preparations can be created. Shared solutions can be thought of, seeing what works other places. With a little time, effort, money and creativity we can expand the number of beds. The deluge will hit, social isolation will mostly crumble. The majority will end up being exposed, but buying time should mean more elderly will have a chance for treatment. I hope people flattening the curve probably means longer total time before herd immunity kicks in but the hope is this methodology saves more lives. Especially with the hope of some treatment and small hope of vaccines in the near future. Maybe even warmer weather will slow down the rise.

That's sobering. With test kits finally rolling out in number, we should be seeing a dramatic rise. Many new cases, perhaps even more just not confirmed. We are still climbing up the bell curve without the top in sight. <great to hear its getting better in San Francisco. Here in Chicago, there's edginess and wariness but I also see the spirit of 'we're all in this together'. The laughing at hoarders. The battle between optimism, pessimism and realism rages on.

I think Moment's probably right about this. The Chinese bureaucracy is not known for there.. transparency. But they're not alone in that. The scope of this virus is presenting new unknowns and challenges that are daunting. At this point the blame game get us nowhere. All we can hope for from now on is the people and numbers are honest. That governments and medical systems communicate and can figure out the best in a bad situation. Cause the new paradigm seems to be to treat this as war. Stopping the spread, saving as many at high risk as we can. Though even the concept of stopping the spread is not necessarily the best long run policy. Our hopes may rest in a powerful effective new treatment thru old or new drugs or a (unlikely) a vaccine that comes out lightning fast.

Loved the original Dune, couldn't get into the sequels or prequel. Still looking for a movie to do it right. Loved Stephen King's The Stand- Isn't that book getting relevant. Decade later it came out in an unedited form. In my opinion the original editor did a good job cutting out some of King's superfluous story lines. It was interesting seeing how the ghosts of sections cut still echoed in the writing.

I've assumed the chart gets its data from WHO. Its good that China is 'trickling along' and not growing exponentially. Its the first and hardest hit nation. But Italy**, Iran, France & South Korea are also increasingly dipping below the 33% exponential curve. Which to me shows that like China, infections (at the moment) aren't growing exponentially. Ofcourse this could change. <I expect social isolation to splinter in a few weeks, likely leading to the rate going back up> Newly hit countries are definitely seeing exponential rises, but early hit ones may be seeing a slow down. We'll know more as days and data come in. And that is why this is such an important chart imo. Like the raw WHO data, I'd like to see how this chart develops in the following weeks. ** Italy is seeing many new cases, its bad but I don't believe its exponential growth.

huh, thats just what my wife was saying last night. apologies to Steve Carell

while he could be more diplomatic, rideforever brought up an interesting point about Do Nothing vs Suppression strategy. Anyhow, to me the above chart shows that amongst countries with the earliest infection, that the rate of infection isn't growing exponentially, ie along the 33% increase (dotted) line. Early on most countries (except early quarantine Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong) follow the 33% exponential line. I see the chart showing as time goes on, most countries are moving below it. Remember this chart since its cumulative amount will never a bell curve. Less people getting infected should be a good thing, ie buy hospitals time to treat the most devastated (old or not). Or at least help in that direction. Though the Do Nothing theory is take the hit/high casualties in 2 or 3 months, or risk not developing long term herd immunity and getting a contagion that drags on as well as long term economic devastation. My guess is both will happen. We'll try to suppress, buy time, but economic forces will shatter social isolation and maybe that natural mix will be.. idk