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From childhood on, I really like running fabric and soft things along the crease between my pointer finger and 2nd one. Rubbing blankets along the that inner fold of skin feels particularly satisfying and relaxing.

Would you say LSD is in the same ball park? Or no, its a different game altogether.

I think the strongest chi gungs are ye olde traditional systems that require you to truly live them..ie 4 hours + a day, you are a disciple of a lineage teacher who you see regularly. We've had a couple people here who have gone that holistic all in route. Generally they don't post much because well.. they don't have time or temperament for internet forums. Some who teach seminars have schedules with hours of standing, sitting, forms.. ie monk boot camp type stuff that's pretty tough. Course real tough can be sitting on your ass 8 to 12 hours a day as in some Vispassana retreats. Where some have breakthroughs, others have break downs. on the other hand for what the OP is trying to get at (quick tough & dirty), I'd point to Wim Hof, his 10 week programs are pretty tough. Its not chi gong.. not really but you'll be surprising yourself if you make it through (note I took 13 weeks to finish). You'll be doing things in a few weeks that'd be impossible pre-class. He'll probably have a sale on it soon. He got razzed for the one hour of Kunlun = 1,000 hours regular exercise. Rightly so, but the spontaneous gi gung style of Max Christensens Kunlun is fascinating. Those who are energy open get surprisingly fast results in a seminar. Some 'get it' from his book. It's simple, but a bit time consuming cause you really need to do the closing afterwards. Lastly I wouldn't downgrade those who use there religious tradition and connect deeply with God. There's some strength there. We strive for exotic but sometimes simple, deep and native work best.

This reminds me that as meditators, if we enter 'the state' purely neutral without at least a little positivity, that cultural forces (certainly in the West) can push us negative. We need, at least some slight positive push to keep us neutral. A small smile, a blessing, an ideal, a short visualization of a beautiful place, person or value.

Again, you're writing from auto dial. You realize that. right? never mind. If you didn't include "Most of these other schools and practices don't do anything, and don't lead anywhere.".. ie insulting all other traditions so much, it wouldn't get bounced back on you. See, now I'm doing it, writing what I've written in the past. You can't help it, insulting other arts is part of the Western Mo Pai tradition as taught by More Pie Bear. If you ever break away from there influence, consider writing positively about your art and insulting other ones less. You'd be surprised. Or maybe not. I think Mo Pai is unfairly attacked, though imo some of its proponents writing styles almost guarantee to keep negativity alive. clap clap out.

You've got that quote on auto dial, right. No, you can do better. Chang doing something that Western Mo Pai students can't is not good evidence.. of anything. But never mind that. Instead you could push the positives of the practice and there are many. Its an old genuine form of nei gung. It has both similarities and difference with other old respected traditions. Its got a unique indepth take on yin and yang theory, step by step collection of chi. The emphasis on long practice, celibacy and meditating on the ground. Lots of good aspects you could push. What students get out of the practice..kind of stuff. If I recall properly in an old interview Kosta talked about how it improved his life, his relationship with God, and his wife (which can be a tougher trick). But going that route wouldn't allow you to fight page after page, writing the same thing over and over, showing 10 or 20 year old videos that then create the usual circular tits for tats and ridicule.

I like Wim Hof, been doing his stuff for years. Found them rewarding (& difficult), gained surprising amount of skill in breath retention and cold tolerance, which in turn probably boosts my meditative depth and immune system. Bottom line is you can take his program and be like Hof(not his extreme). But if Western Mo Pai's selling point is do this and be like Chang.. ie telekinesis, pyrokinesis, then its problematic. I don't want to see John Chang go to every university to be tested. I'd prefer to see his students be tested or rather see if they can do anything. I've always said if you want to join a martial art, look to the top students, they're what you'll become. You're unlikely to become ask skilled as the art's masters or grand masters because they're most often a unique combination of incredible dedication, great teachers and inner talent. Helps to be born into a culture that promotes and rewards such an art too.

I've been working on my lower 1st chakra. after several years of focus I have to say my mouth tastes like balls and my nose feels much longer.

Right, in that the scientific method is also very big on reproducible evidence. After a hypothesis proved, can it be re-proved, double and tripled checked in other places. I'm reminded of a story that when Judo was new, it was widely challenged for the audacity of being a new martial art. The founder of modern Judo Kano Jigoro was excellent but not phenomenal at Judo and quite the gentlemen and promoter. He would send challengers to a friend who'd quickly beat them. But the thing is, his friend was a top Jujitsu man. What I'm getting at is pointing to one talented man in the past as proof is not the best or most logical method. Better to have people who practice now show there abilities.

It won't croak again Nor ever be green again I Sit, on pad, alone I don't need no 7 syllables in the middle, nor 5 at the end. better now.

Went through old <Messages> and found my last PM's with Marblehead. What a great sense of humor. It started with my mis-use of 'there' , and for a grammar lesson was very enjoyable.

The parties have made there positions and animosity clear. So, at this point are there any questions or statement that move the original OP along, ie advice on esoteric practice? Without getting back into personal tit for tat? My general advice is marry one art, commit, practice with integrity. Later on flirt with others. I also had the bad habit of getting too intellectual. Too much reading and thinking.. too little time on the mat. For awhile I did an interesting fire practice I picked up from 5elements. Very interesting and kept me interested in the tumo practice. Which would later lead me to Wim Hof. Practice.. evolves but is best when it goes deep.

Old or new 2 bobs or 3 Good to see you back. For me its nice that the politics, especially the the hyperpartisan stuff has died down. It brought out too much bad will and anger here. It sucked too much air out of the site.

Actually, it seems like many of his posts are getting shorter. So, there is hope. Always hope, the stuff that springs eternal.

Amen. Don't push the river

@Everything, love you man but you should seriously think of getting a PPD, personal forum here and lay low on other threads for a bit. Be sensitive to those who have found your additions disruptive and well trolling to there discussion. Especially Taomeow where it was more egregious. In a PPD you can keep your flow and ideas alive. Which is great, they'll be easy to find and track. There's good stuff there. But if you keep going the way you are, you're going to get a suspension or banned. Again I beg you, get a PPD, let your thoughts flow there for a few weeks. Let the dispute simmer down. After that maybe write long flowing posts in your PPD and shorter pithier ones in the regular sections. On the net, short and to the point gets the attention and the eyeballs. Loong posts are ignored or worse found annoying.

This is like what the old Talk Trump thread was like, except that one leaned more proTrump (and at times alt right) and went on for 250-300 pages..100s anyway. Wasnt our site at its finest, quite the opposite. It's a seductive topic but we can't seem to discuss it without anger and division. It'd be cool if we could. The sides are so far apart. Probably the only wsy to do it is piece meal. Judging the policy and action independent of the actor.

Whispers in ear.. plastics I mean soup. Learn to make soup. Great way to use veggies. For cheap healthy meals nothing beats soup. Protein, veggies, broth.. heat up..done. Lately I'm playing with Blender soups. Veggie.. broth.. starchy veggie blend til pulverized and then heat and eat at your leisure. Very healthy. Great for people who don't like vegetables. Bouillon can make for very cheap broth. So can Miso. Healthy food begins with healthy cooking. Start looking at recipes and cook some. If its not loaded with sugars and simple starches or cyanide, its probably pretty healthy. During the winter its Genmai tea for me. Green tea with puffed rice, filling and a little sweet.

I don't mind his stuff. Some I ignore, some I read part of, enough to get the gist. He's eccentric, wastes space, but he's also consistent and has a good heart. my two pesos.

Is this the stance you mean? Santi.. Bruce Frantzis teaches it- https://www.energyarts.com/hsing-i-santi/ "At the very heart of the martial practice of Hsing-i and its Five Elements, is Santi, or the “Trinity Posture.” Santi is done holding a static standing posture, with your arms extended. In the classic schools of Hsing-i, the posture is held in Pi Chuan, which is the first of the Five Elements. There is a common story about the best people in Hsing-i that says they were made to do Santi for between one and three years before being allowed to learn anything else. Many interpret this type of demand as a useless hazing process. However, this process of standing is the most foundational power training in Hsing-i, and without it, the training of the Five Elements and the animal forms could easily become nothing more than movements with minimal internal power. Aside from the martial aspects, Santi teaches how to make the mind calm and how to free it of accumulated stress. The process that Santi sets in motion for balance, health and healing is expanded and fulfilled in the Five Element practices. Santi focuses on cultivating five critical processes: Breath Legs and waist Arms Unifying external connections within yourself Unifying internal connections within yourself reminds me of a Ki Aikido practice to hold a bokken/wooden practice sword steady, point focused on singular spot, working up to an hour.

Good chance you're right. Phosphene (a ring or spot of light produced by pressure on the eyeball or direct stimulation of the visual system other than by light.) would make more sense then phosphorus, once nick named the 'devil's element'. Still in daoist alchemy internal and external theories move in strange sometimes unexpected directions. When I have Glenn Morris's book 'Pathnotes..' near me I'll double check the exact wording. Odds are you're right.

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must confess, not sure what samm choy is. Not sure if its a position in standing meditation or a feeling/focus.

Computer Viruses. I wonder if Facebook, youtube and the like aren't computer viruses that humans pick up and get infected with.

For awhile I didn't but they're there, often shifting around. Particularly apparent as we move from normal consciousness into deeper ones, as we awaken or fall asleep. Or for an automatic hit, there's a practice where you keep your eyes closed and face the sun. You'll become aware of phosphorus colors then. I believe the Healing Dao practice was to envision the colors seeping into your skeleton. They'll change from lighter neons to darker purples quickly and wash each color down, while keeping your eyes closed.