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Thank you very much for taking time with this, Master Yudelove. I will let you know how this practice evolves. Would you carry on further through pms or a new topic? Bill

". As long as you can find it, you can't get lost. I usually can find it unless a major fog has set in, and yes I find it to relly great for grounding. Thank you for coming back to this conversation. Today my focus on the bridge reached some stability, more so than up until now. A side note is that my eyes feel "strong" in some way that is hard to define. My vision is not better, but my eyes feel stronger. Bill

I find the ridge of the nose, sun visualization challenging, but I keep at it. I practice it a while then I find I am back at the tip.

Earth Friend, as one of the posters on this thread with experience on the exercise suggested, my finding is that the eyes downward to the tip of the nose actually guides the energy down to the dan tien. In many methods that I have done in the past the eyes have been used to guide energy in the body including moving them in a type of circular pattern meant as an analogue to the small circulation where eyes up is meant to bring the energy to the head. Eyes looking downward is meant to bring energy down whichever channel one is working with. So for me the experience with the eyes at the tip of the nose has the effect of bringing energy downward that results from the quiet mind that is enhanced by the eye position. If you read carefully, the eye position that Mr Yudelove is suggesting is meant just for that, quieting the mind, not necessarily inducing energy to the head, or anywhere else for that matter. He just says that it will help us to quiet the mind and allow us to get to a meditative state more consistently. The rest are postings from people who I am sure are not novices to inner work and therefore bring their own energy dispositions into play. Bill

Since the energetic effects of root of the nose and tip of the nose practices are so different I don't think they could be confused in language by real practioners. I see them as applying to different stages and concentrating on the brow, "third eye" is not a beginner practice in Taoism. At least that is what I understand.

We can do a phenomenological study. If you have some energy running and are sensitive to it then try one point for one sit, then shift and try the other point in another practice session. How does your energy behave? Are they similar or different? Try it more than once to see if there are consistent results from one session to another. Trust your experience. Then choose your practice, and take responsiblity for the results.

I had a similar experience, after practicing tai chi one morning while at work I had the feeling that I had spilled cold water on my knees but it was inside the joint and felt viscous and very healing. I have a ripped miniscus and it felt great. I took it as a sign and inspiration to keep practicing. Bill

Thank you very much for the last post Mr Yudelove. It is amazing how this simple practice has such results. Maybe it was the trigger that I needed at this point and everything else has been set for this. I still feel like I can extend this practice for longer periods of time as the muscles in the eyes get used to the exercise. But the cleansing is very pronounced since I have thirty years construction history with lots of fine dust in the air that my eyes are releasing. The visualization is challenging with the eyes focused on the nose. I am curious about where is visualization taking place with the eyes like this? Bill

All I can say is "Hair today, gone tomorrow."

Good one trunk. I wonder how many other "secrets" are right in front of my nose? I will look around,(mines pretty big} I am feeling energy condensing in the center of the head, a very pleasant feeling and it drops down giving the front channel solidity. Energetic sambhavi mudra? I feel my eyes stronger somehow after the exercise, and my concentration is very strong with my "presence" more active. I will spend some time reading Eric's books more in depth today. I get tearing cleansing from this exercise, but I will try Eric's suggestion. Bill

I am wondering if this strain might be like a muscle strain after a workout, and a sign of weakness and that this exercise might ultimately be therapeutic. Eye exercises of all sorts feel difficult for me. If it is therpeutic and is a worthwhile mudra saving years of practice then I think its worth it.

My Yang style teacher said that Yang Chang Fu was a big partyer.

At first I experience a straining in the eyes as I look at the tip of my nose, and a shifting back and forth right to left eyes and back to the center. At the same time I feel an intensification of consciousness and focus. Very first attempts here.

There seems to be two parts to the tip of the nose practice. So we are actually crossing our eyes to look at the tip of the nose? And then having the attention in the space in between? Or is the attention on the tip as well, that being the in between? I am already liking this practice.

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Great post, I really like Dianna Richardson's books. She has a new one coming out from inner traditions for men. I agree on the deep penetration rather than the thrusting thing.

I have one of his books since starting the topic and it si informational, but it is information that I can use. He has a dvd offered at amazon which I will get in the next few weeks. From a review on amazon it looks like he demonstrates some real skill. I will give a review. I will also get his latest book.

Since I am married I really like having sex with not cumming. But working with energy is not the whole story. The other half is disciplining the imagination. I know I am attracted to all sorts of women. I like how they look. they are strangers I don't know them, but their looks and how the move really attract me. That attraction creates pictures in my mind allowing me to choose how to play with them or not. I think circulating the image created as well as the feeling associated with it is very important. Since I don't all the strangers I am attracted to I ascribe the image to that of the goddess and praise her in her beauty and thank her for another glimpse into it. He is an article, excuse the western esoteric perspective, but i presents a new kind of view for me. http://www.scribd.com/doc/9682181/Massimo-Scaligero-Sacro-Amore-ENG

Some of you may remember this. Donald in Mathmagic Land http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_ssR7M5Px0 We had this shown to us in school

I really like condensing breathing. It is like pore breathing except its brought into the marrow of the bone. It doesn't have to be so physically intense and it still works. Talk about increasing the feeling of chi., it really helps with that. Bill

I know hitachi makes screw guns but not vibrators.

I was a student of Michael Phillips in the early eighties and I can attest that he was a sincere practioner and always passionate about learning new things to bring to his students. It was his full time mission to seek out the best teachers and practices to bring him and his students forwards. At that time he didn't have the skills that he has now, but he was very knowledgable and good with push hands and uncomprimising in tai chi principles in our martial play. Bill

Happy Birthday Santiago Keep up the great work Keep up the Great Work