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With all due respect you have not been here very long and you did not see all the spamming and insults which he routinely threw at regular Tao Bums. He was in trouble with the mods for this. I found some aspects of MPG/TG experiences and his accounts of them very interesting. In the week before he was banned I posted a couple of threads summarizing these which I hoped would create some understanding. I was about to post my conclusions when he was banned. I chose not to post the conclusion, nor to protest his banning. Unfortunately he deserved to be banned. The Tao Bums is not a panel of professional therapists who help people get over 'post six dimensional stress syndrome'. We are not equipped to do so and we are not paid to do so. I hope that MPG/TG does find a resolution to the problems that trouble him, just as I hope that for a lot of people who have come on the Tao Bums who were not balanced enough to observe a few simple rules of behavior and have had to be banned. We are a discussion board, nothing more and more importantly nothing less, but that in itself is valuable. Discussion here is a privilege, not a right and is granted under certain terms and conditions, when these terms and conditions are not observed, then the privilege is revoked. Understanding this should be easy as pie.

This is a fair question and I will answer it informally rather than quote everything that I believe supports my approach. If you want I can prepare a more detailed reply with quotes. In so far as 'flowing hands' has been not merely critical, but completely dismissive of this particular work, then to answer such criticism is about Jerry Alan Johnson's Daoist alchemy. In so far as 'flowing hands' dismisses the traditions of Religious Daoism that are the context in which Jerry Alan Johnson's Daoist alchemy exists, then this discussion in answering that criticism, is about Jerry Alan Johnson's Daoist alchemy. Now if someone had come here and said, 'according to my school and its teachings in such and such a book or books', I could examine those books and the history of the school and I could then put them in a constructive juxtaposition with Jerry Alan Johnson's work. Would you be questioning me about that? Now here is the problem, because 'flowing hands' is criticizing Jerry Alan Johnson on what amounts to his own authority, because even though he claims that his teachings, and thus the authority for his criticism, comes from 'immortals, we have only his word that they come from 'immortals', there seems to be no way to answer his criticism except for an examination of himself based on statements made in this thread and others. This is the problem with which I was confronted when I started to address his criticism and this is also the reason why out of fairness both to 'flowing hands' and to the general readers of this thread, I spent a lot of time looking at his posts. He, his posts and his relation with the Huang Lao Xian Shi temples are the only 'text' that I have. In examining them I am examining the basis of his criticism of Jerry Alan Johnson's Daoist alchemy and therefore my examination of him, his posts and his relation to the Huang Lao Xian Shi temples, is part of this thread. Does that make sense to you? Before this series of posts 'flowing hands' was nothing to me. I saw some of his posts and thought them a little eccentric, but interesting and not much to concern myself about, but when I started to engage him here, I was dismayed by his answers and general attitude. I had seen his posts earlier and thought that the problem was with his respondents and their inability to mount a suitable defense of Jerry Alan Johnson's Daoist alchemy congruent with his statements about Jesus. I believe that I did that, but in the process what emerged was a general criticism of Religious Daoism which has to be addressed because Jerry Alan Johnson's Daoist alchemy exist within that context. If you undermine the context, you destroy the content, just as undermining the foundation will collapse the building on which it stands. In any case that is how I look at the matter.

Actually they exist in Hong Kong and there are many followers in Europe who practice at home from an alter.: Thank you for this, though as my post on the subject will show I already knew about that, at least as far as Hong Kong goes. I am hoping that someone else may be able to provide detail outside of that. your referencing books: My referencing of books is because in principle at least, they can be accessed by all of us and used as a basis of discussion for any of us. Your own teaching is also available to all of us, but its source is not. In that regard we can all discuss your teaching also, but your sources are not available and I and anyone else must evaluate any of your claims about its sources very critically. If you, as you seem to say, find anything other than blind acceptance 'very disrespectful', that's too bad. I don't blindly accept anything, though I will examine and explore all sorts of things, but what I accept is always subject to a very rigorous testing process. That goes for books and teachers and especially for purported revelations from 'spiritual masters', whether called 'immortals' or whatever. Here for example, is a book, the Dao De Jing, that passed a very deep preliminary analysis: very disrespectful: Again you are an unintentional master of irony, as anyone who has studied your posts, as I have for the last week or so, knows. You treat anything other than blind acceptance off your word as an act of lèse-majesté and respond with ad hominem denigration of the offending party. You are routinely disrespectful of anything outside of your own small circle of 'true cultivation'. I'm simply not interested, . . . in arguing with you OK: Fine with me, I was never arguing with you, I am simply taking your posts and analyzing them and in so far as I can, I try to let them speak for themselves. I have always been speaking rather more to anyone who reads this, not you. I leave it too others to judge whether I am fair or not and you can always chime in when you have a spare moment. nor do I have the time: This is very time consuming for me also and I have other things which I would rather do, but you have brought this examination on yourself. I will remind you of two things first that you made very specific claim earlier in defense of your behavior: I am not done examining that and almost all of my posts since then have been to show to show the context that exists around that claim, and establish that in both the context of your first quotes here and your subsequent series, so that the casual reader can know that it is at best special pleading and at worst, simply untrue. And second a level of absolute infallibility that would make a Pope blush: The above is only a small sampling of such claims both in this thread and elsewhere. My next post on the Huang Lao Xian Shi temples is part of establishing context, but also an interesting spiritual travelogue, which I hope many will find interesting in its own right. Since I am going to organize pages of material it may take me two or three days.

I was already a little ahead of you 'Harmonius Emptiness' and had researched that quote from 'vortex'. It is from a book by Bernard Lewis, Race and Color in Islam (1979). He wrote a later book, Race and Slavery in the Middle East, Oxford Univ Press, 1994; Chapters of which are available online here: Race and Slavery in the Middle East, chaps. 1 & 9 Chapter 9 of which, 'Slaves in Arms', deals specifically with the Islamic use of slaves in military service and is available online at the above link. I don't have time right now to excerpt it, but will. In the meantime I suggest you look it up and tell us what you think. Edit: Rushed the link to Bernard Lewis on Wikipedia did not work, corrected it.

What you have said basically stops you believing in anything that I have to say. That's closed minded and you seem to constantly demonstrate to me a stubborn inability to accept that such people like me do exist and that I am here for a reason and no other: Anyone who reads my post carefully will realize that what I doubt is not your experiences but your interpretation of them: his teachers are all spirits whom he describes as 'immortals': All I have said is that your teachers are spirits whom you describe as 'immortals'. If I personally doubt anything here it is that these spirits are 'immortals'. Nor do I consider that any displays of power or powers is proof because the source of such power or powers is always ambiguous. This ambiguity is more than aptly demonstrated by the endless threads and posts here about 'mo pai' and 'do you have powers', etc.: What I have said here is that your spirits whom you claim to be immortals may produce all the phenomena which you claim, what difference does it make, it only proves that phenomena can be produced, it does not testify to the source of those phenomena. So what it comes down to is not whether I am stubborn or not, but whether I have good reason to be stubborn and based on some of the things which you do say, I believe that I do, and would believe that I have those good reasons no matter what phenomena you were able to produce. Just one point which I have discussed at length on this site: yes, I found your discussion with 'mjjbecker' already, as I mentioned I have been researching your posts. It is in the pit under the title of 'Q&A to Flowing Hands background'. I was already going to refer to it because of some interesting aspects to it. I will return to this at the end of my post. Of course there are plenty of things I could tell you to demonstrate my abilities, but you have closed your mind to them: and there are plenty of things which I could tell you, but I won't for reasons which I have stated above. So those arts which were demonstrated by my students at the time and won medals were taught to me by my Immortal masters and not by any mortal: This simply reinforces what I said above. This is a proven fact if you want one. What is a proven fact, that you teach things which you claim come from spirits, and may very well as far as I am concerned, or that these spirits are 'immortals', which I doubt very much. In my life I have seen all kinds of phenomena and and 'revealed teachings' and I am not impressed by any of them as giving some form of questionable authority to those teachings. Based on what you have said I see no reason to give such unquestionable authority to you. Now I will continue with a reply to your previous post that I had already been working on and had almost completed: Your very learned quotes are the things that let you down: I don't know if this means that 'flowing hands' considers 'being learned' and experience are incompatible, they are of course not incompatible. Many of them are completely wrong: This is his opinion based on the teaching he has received from his 'teachers', who who are spirits which he believes to be 'immortals'. As such we have no way to evaluate his claims, since we have no direct access to his sources, we cannot make an independent judgment and must accept or reject his opinion based on our evaluation of him. They are from others and not your own personal experience: Since 'flowing hands' simply dismisses anyone else's personal experience, unless that is it is in agreement with his, there is no reason for me to even attempt to make an account of it, even if it was my policy to recount personal experiences for public entertainment, but it is not. I have a general policy of not using my personal experiences as objects of discussion for reasons that may already be obvious to people reading this post, they are not capable of independent corroboration. I certainly do have experience, otherwise I would not be posting here on the Tao Bums and defending the teachings of Religious Daoism. As for Master Chuang and Michael Saso, he was a Daoist priest and not a shaman: Shaman is in this case a more acceptable term for 'medium' and while in some of the posts which I will reference in a future post he maintains a distinction between his 'shamanism' and ordinary mediumship, that is once again his claim. Now Jerry Alan Johnson does mention what amounts to mediumship under the modern phase 'walk-in' and also as 'Deity Magic', his discussion is purely within the context of sex magic and can be found on pages 255-258 of Daoist Magical Transformation Skills. There are also discussions of transformation into deities in other of his books, but these do not seem to be exactly like this mediumistic 'possession'. Examples of this can be found on pages 284-287 of Daoist Weather Magic and Feng Shui, where examples of transformation into Zhenwu, the 'Perfect Warrior' manifestation of the Dark Emperor of the North and 'Mother Du', the Goddess of the Northern Dipper, as well as other places in his books. That Daoist practitioners routinely use such transformations in their rituals is not widely known, but is confirmed in the scholarly literature by Lagerway on pages 71-72 of Taoist Ritual in Chinese Society and History. I have made myself like a tree, humbled myself before the Heavens and begged to be taught: in the next paragraph he says, 'So for two years nearly every day I said my prayer, looked up to the east with my arms open like a tree and begged.' This explains part of his emphasis on trees in self cultivation. I'll quote what he said earlier: I doubt that many people immediately thought of begging when they read the above passage, so I guess that means that they are not a true cultivator by 'flowing hands' definition. I don't know if he as posted this esoteric key to his teaching on the new verses of the DDJ thread. Maybe I should go post it there for the edification of everyone who is interested in the secret of 'true cultivation'. There is a part of this forum which is not merely 'protected', but a actually hidden from the casual reader of the Tao Bums, it is called the Pit and you have to register to access it. This is where almost all threads and posts that are considered too 'strange' for public view go. I mention this by way of apology to the casual reader for citing the following as they cannot follow the links. While researching this material I came across the fallowing: In a locked thread titled Q&A to Flowing Hands background which was started on March 17, 2012 Off hand I see no good reason to doubt this claim, so I researched the Huang Lao Xian Shi temples and found the material interesting and thought it worth posting, again with the idea that it provides context, but I think people will find it interesting in itself. I was able to investigate the Malaysian temples fairly easily, but ran into a think wall of Chinese trying to go further. There is information which I will reference that indicates these temples do exist outside of Malaysia and If there is anyone here who can fill in details of these temples outside of Malaysia that would be interesting.

Well as long we this has already moved in this direction:

In reply to this post: 'flowing hands', Posted 31 March 2014 I said: I didn't mention that if 'flowing hands' knew exactly how it helped me, he would not have posted it. What this post gave me is enough material to demonstrate another aspect of 'flowing hands' style, which is that, aside from its ad hominem nature, it is totally circular reasoning based on definitions which he provides. If you don't fit within the circle that forms around his self-proclaimed authority, you are wrong. Now he will say his authority derives from his teachers, but this proves nothing because his teachers are all spirits whom he describes as 'immortals' whose message he delivers to us and we have no independent way of checking it, so it exists solely on his word. Nor do I consider that any displays of power or powers is proof because the source of such power or powers is always ambiguous. This ambiguity is more than aptly demonstrated by the endless threads and posts here about 'mo pai' and 'do you have powers', etc. I had originally thought that I could simply answer directly to the post and tie up some loose ends, but tying up those loose ends became more and more complex. I have spent quite a few hours in the last few days searching threads and posts and copying. Right now on the word processor that I use to compose these posts, there are over twenty pages of notes. This has told me more about 'flowing hands' than I really wanted to know, but it was all for the sake of context. To save the casual reader having to look up all sorts of threads I will post them here, when necessary I will quote from them. I don't know how far I will go with this, I have way to much time on this already, not just the searches and notes, but reflecting on and organizing this material, but one way to avoid writing that time off as a complete waste is to share some of the results here, a project which I will have to break up into several posts. First however, I would like to summarize my posts related to Jerry Alan Johnson. Only Jerry Alan Johnson can tell us what he means by saying that he is a combination of Buddhist, Christian and Daoist, and what he means by having 'Jesus in his heart'. What I have attempted to do is to provide a defense for someone accused in absentia, that since Jerry Alan Johnson 'has Jesus in his heart' he cannot teach internal alchemy. That this is not necessarily the case I have examined in several posts. The points which I have tried to raise are: That a Daoist can have Jesus in their practice as a 'god' of the popular religion which I addressed here, in what was directly a response to 'dawei', but was also intended to address issues of Jerry Alan Johnson's use of Jesus: A Place for Jesus in the Daoist Ritual Dan and here, where I address having Gods or Spirits in ones heart and emptying them as a prerequisite for Union with the Dao, from which I will quote: Is 'flowing hands' willing to maintain based on his 'sound bite', that in all his years of spiritual practice Jerry Alan Johnson has never once done this? And if he has done it once, that was the only time? I believe that this aptly demonstrates that Jerry Alan Johnson should be able to both have spirits in his heart and to empty his heart of them. He could as easily do this with Jesus as the Red Emperor of the South. I will only note as a matter of passing that what would be meant by Jesus and having 'Jesus in ones heart' to a Christian Fundamentalist and what Jesus and having 'Jesus in ones heart' would mean to someone who follows the Christian Neo-Platonist Trinitarianism of Marius Victorinus, which is based on Plotinus, and maybe even refines it with the trinitarianism of the great Renaissance Scholar and Theologian, Marsilio Ficino, whose translations of the Hermitica, Plato and Plotinus were so vital to Renaissance philosophical thought is completely different. I suspect that what Jerry Alan Johnson means is something in between these two conceptions, but definitely not what most people reading these lines would imagine. I think that I have spent enough time on this to clarify my intent regarding Jerry Alan Johnson and point to my posts which I believe are most germane to them and since this is long enough as it is will address more issues in a subsequent posts which will continue what I have started here.

Well, there's one more thing you can't judge a book by, the name of its author.

Do you mean fight 'facts' like these: with facts like these: With this cute animated gif, even you and 'deci belle' should understand that by 1300 the only Islamic Kingdom in the Iberian Peninsula was the Emirate of Granada, which survived as long as it did because it was a tributary state of the Kingdom of Castile. Wikipedia on the Reconquista Wikipedia on Emirate of Granada and just as tiny side note, the Hapsburgs did not unify Spain, it was the Spanish Kingdoms of Aragon and Castile that accomplished that. The Hapsburgs did not rule Spain until the death of Ferdinand in 1516. Wikipedia on Ferdinand and Isabella I don't even want to get into the Arab Slave trade: Wikipedia on the Arab slave trade and the part that the so-called 'Curse of Ham' played in the presence of Blacks in the Iberian Peninsula: Wikipedia on the Curse of Ham So much for 'advanced and progressive' Caliphates. I didn't join the Tao Bums to post on things like this and I don't think I am alone in this regard. I despise racism and racists and have since I was a boy in fifties, but I also resent the waste of my time that this post represents, in order to refute just a few pseudo-facts. I wish I could bill you and 'deci belle' for my time as a historical researcher, but I doubt that either of you would pay. The time required to address all of the psudo-facts upon which the original posts are based would be enormous, maybe you want to start paying me to teach you history. If not, then I propose that both this and your other thread on this topic be locked and banished to the Pit so that they stop wasting my time and the time other Tao Bums.

The Wikipedia article on Mouni Sadhu is good: Wikipedia on Mouni Sadhu

SonOfTheGods seems to be taking my little joke too seriously. I was basically suggesting that the fearsome JEHOVAH, as in Jehovah's Witness be pronounced Joey, the diminutive of Joseph. A kind of witty combination of the academic Yahweh with the fundamentalist Jehovah. Hebrew letters correspond to sounds and especially in older transliteration tables, the Hebrew letter 'yod' can be transliterated as i, y, or j. That's pretty much how I took it. I am sure that I got the idea from reading Crowley's Magick in Theory and Practice at frighteningly tender age. I always took the Hebrew names in a Qabalistic context, not a Biblical one and since the Qabalah is billed as an esoteric interpretation of the Bible, the chimera's of Biblical fundamentalism did not apply and the relevant egregore would be that of Qabalah and the hermetic and magical tradition. As for egregore's the textbook on them is: Mouni Sadhu, The Tarot And for me the summer 1968 was the summer of Mouni Sadhu's Tarot. I took money I got from my high school graduation and plucked down $12.50, plus tax, allowing for inflation $90.00 or more dollars of today's money. I read it three times cover to cover and many sections over and over again. Sadhu was to knock Crowley from the top of the heap, where he had been for some years, but was already tettering. The book tells you everything that you need to know about egregores. Unfortunately it is not an easy book to read or understand. Getting back to Qabalah, I spent a lot of time in my early twenties trying to understand Macgregor-Mathers version of the Zohar. The more I read it the more the notion that it was some kind of an esoteric commentary on the Bible seemed untenable. Instead it seemed like someone or group was going to extravagant lengths to put ideas that they already had into biblical terms and defend them by Biblical means. I am almost certain that I got the idea of looking to Gnosticism to explain this was suggested by Gershom Scholom, but at this time I don't have an exact reference, be that as it may I started looking into Gnosticism, when a weird question,and I love weird questions, suddenly occurred and that was, 'What is the difference between the notion of Adam Kadmon and Anthropos, the Qabalistic and Gnostic names for the cosmic or archetypal .Man and the Platonic Idea of Man? After several years of investigating the question I reached the conclusion, not much and by 1981 I had reached similar conclusions to this book: David Godwin, Light in Extention Ironically written by this fellow: Cited in the material from which SonOfTheGods was quoting as having written the 'must have' book on Qabalistic correspondences. Its subject matter is aptly summarized in the first review: Which creates another layer of meaning which divides the Qabalistic/Hermitic/Platonic context from the blood thirsty demon of the Old Testament. As for separating Dao and Western magic that is another story. Edit: I was rushed and accidentally hit post rather than more reply options, where I usually refine these before actually posting them. I had to make several minor changes, including replacing URLs with book titles and adjusting for font differences, this editor has no Hebrew. I hope this is all it needs. Edit: Yes I had to make a second edit the reference to Godwin's Qabalistic Encyclopedia appeared in the original post as if it was SonOfTheGods recommendation, which it was not, rather than that of an author he was quoting. I hope I don't have to make anymore, that is why I try to refine these in the better editor here.

The 'authorized' biography of Johweh (pronounced joe-ee) is, as anyone familiar with the Documentary Hypothesis or the even more radical, Hellenistic Composition Hypothesis knows, fiction and thus not a good guide to Divine Nature, especially the Divine Nature of the soul. Real magic does not depend on 'egregores', but on self knowledge. The human soul is not merely coterminous with all space and time, but encompasses all possible space/time continuums as mere parts of itself. According to Platonic/Hermetic teachings the soul can know True Divinity by knowing itself, thus: The path of the Magician is to go from this: But if thou lockest up thy soul within thy body, and dost debase it, saying: I nothing know; I nothing can; I fear the sea; I cannot scale the sky; I know not who I was, who I shall be to this: Make, [then,] thyself to grow to the same stature as the Greatness which transcends all measure; leap forth from every body; transcend all Time; become Eternity; and [thus] shalt thou know God. Conceiving nothing is impossible unto thyself, think thyself deathless and able to know all. As one grows in ones apprehension of True Divinity, one can embody it in any name system one may wish and even create new ones to serve ones needs, for such names are merely tools which the magician uses. Those who fear any egregore will never know true magic, in so far as egregores are useful, they serve the magician, the magician does not serve them. Edit: Changed link for Hermetica quote from URL to 'Corpus Hermeticum XI'

Thanks 'flowing hands', you have no idea how much this post helps me.

Just as a point of interest, did the banging in the walls start before or after watching these video's?

This is probably the best book on Natural Magic to start with.

I will remind anyone who may have not noticed or may have forgotten, that it is 'flowing hands' who set the general tone here by these remarks: but more in a mocking way: As a character 'flowing hands' invites almost merciless satire. I have been very restrained. The normal relationship is that of a father/grandfather: as a person who took his Tao Bums name from one of Zhuxi's 'Four Books', I am quite familiar with what is normative in teacher/student relations in Chinese society. Including the part about not doing to others what you would not have done to yourself. To continue my examination of the Daoist Ritual Dan. The Daoist practitioner not only creates this Dan in his imagination around him, but creates it internally. Thus while the Three Pure Ones are visualized in the North they are also visualized in the Daoists body in his three internal Dan, the Dao De Heavenly Worthy in his lower Dan Tien, the Ling Bao Heavenly Worthy in his middle Dan and the Yuan Shih Heavenly Worthy in his upper Dan. The Five Emperors of the Directions, Elements and Planets are visualized in his yin internal organs and of specific interest here is that the Red Emperor of the South, Fire and the Planet Mars is visualized in the practitioner's heart. Is 'flowing hands' willing to maintain on the basis of his 'sound bite' quote upon which he bases so much, that in all his years of spiritual practice Jerry Alan Johnson has never once done this? And if he has done it once, that was the only time? That Jesus and only Jesus is the only spiritual image that has ever been in Jerry Alan Johnson's heart? However there is more. Because an essential part of Daoist rite is the FaLu, literally the 'lighting of the incense' in which all of these internal spirits are exteriorized, sent out from the Daoists body, but let me allow Michael Saso to continue: Is 'flowing hands' willing to maintain based on his 'sound bite', that in all his years of spiritual practice Jerry Alan Johnson has never once done this? And if he has done it once, that was the only time? I repeat the above phrases not from lack of imagination, but for the sake of emphasis, for this is what 'flowing hands' is maintaining, that based on a 'sound bite' from a video interview, he knows Jerry Alan Johnson's whole spiritual life, and further, is fit to judge him. As a well known Jewish carpenter, who acquired quite a following for such modest beginnings, once said, 'Judge not, lest thee be judged', or something to that effect. Edit: Changed Elelments to Elements in the above post.

Rex's advice is good. Regardie's The Art of True Healing was a very good early influence and yes it is a good idea to always follow a banishing with an invocation, the reason being that having cleared a space it is a good idea to fill it with something that you want to be there, not something that just moves in. Here is something to do. Get yourself some rosemary, it makes a lovely tea that is relaxing and tasty. You want to relax the energies around you, so you brew some Rosemary tea pour yourself a cup and hold it in your hands, and say some simple affirmation like 'Rosemary is a manifestation of divine being, may the highest good fill this cup and fill me' pour another cup and say 'May my guests also share in this highest good', drink your tea and say, 'May we all share in the highest good together now and in the future.' and then 'Ok, I know you're here, can you at least stop bugging my parents?' If this doesn't calm things down, then you may have problems that require a different approach. Also taking a bath with rosemary oil and sea salt is a good idea. Lavender oil can also be used. Get yourself this book: Spiritual Cleansing and lay off the ceremonial stuff for a while.

I have reviewed your posts and may have further suggestions, but for now I would like to recommend that you also look into the Ross Cross Ritual: Golden Dawn Rose Cross Ritual This is very calming and protective on another level. Also, and I think that BaQuaKicksAss will probably second this, is that you look into natural magic, in particular herbs, since they are inexpensive and easy to get. This is in particular because you mention a kundalini experience and you will be able to feel their effects and connect with their magical power more easily. Lavender, pine and lemon come to mind immediately as having good cleansing and balancing properties. More as I can. Good luck.

It is not a replacement, but an excellent compliment. I will post more if I have time.

I always took it as him using a non specific and non-demonetization phrase which was sort of all encompassing since different people come in with different beleifs. Yes... that may be HIS understanding and usage... but when you use that word to a room full of newbie practitioners, it will go in according to their own physical/spiritual paradigm. IN my class, many were quickly talking as if Jesus was the 'hookup'.... I just sat there and shook my internal head... as if Jesus was the 'hookup': Which doesn't make much difference. The Daoist Ritual Dan for such things as the Rite of Cosmic Renewal includes those gods who are the core of the Daoist pantheon on the North Wall, the Daoist Gods ruling the cosmos in the East, West and center and the gods of the popular religion along the Southern wall, this includes traditional Chinese Gods, but also Quanyin who is not strictly a Daoist goddess and if one is so inclined could include Jesus, who as a 'god' of the popular religion could as easily be added to Daoist practice as such 'immortals' as Hua Tuo Xian Shi, Chi Tien Da Shen and even Li Erh Xian Shi, who in this form belongs in the South, and are the ones with which 'flowing hands' is so enamored. Religious Daoists are free and happy souls who are always open to adding a new god to the south wall, if it is their whim. There is of course more to this, but this is part of the reason I am not upset by Jerry Alan Johnson's 'sound bite' about Jesus. And just as a personal note, should someone consider it relevant, no I have not and would not add Jesus to my practice.

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The best herbal remedy for the flu that I know of is Gan Mao Ling. I don't get the flu any more and haven't for years, thanks to my use of Chinese herbal products. This is the online supplier that I use for other things and here is a search for Gan Mao Ling: Gan Mao Ling at MaxNature For cost and effectiveness the Plum Flower brand is probably the best buy. You many be able to find Gan Mao Ling at a local Chinese pharmacy if you live in an area where it is available. Good Luck.

That this protest comes from the lips of someone willing to dismiss Jerry Alan Johnson's whole spiritual life based on a sound bite from a video interview is very ironic.

The Essence of Internal Martial Arts volumes 1 and 2: Lucky you. I only became aware of these after they were no longer available. Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy: I don't have this book so I cannot make any reasonable comparison. Obviously the Volumes of the new series have much more information. Which volume contains the info on mantra and mudra?: Mostly Volume Two, but see below for more details. There were chapters covering Dao Yin postural training and healing sounds: No, there are sections on Daoyin training in Volume Two and Sections on projecting healing sound in Volume Three, but there is more that is purely magical in these also. When I first bought his medical Qigong books I bought volumes Two and Three at the same time. I needed Volume Two because at the time in his books he referenced his fundamental preliminary exercise 'One to Ten' in Volume Two, but did not have it in his Daoist Magic books. Later when his book on Talismanic Magic was published, it did included 'One to Ten'. At the time he had detailed indexes for each volume posted on his site and Volume Three looked interesting containing more information of a magical nature. Later I ordered Volume One and Volume Four. Volume One I found very valuable, while I was familiar with much of the material, it was scattered over many books and then there was material in it that was not in any book that I had, but which I had heard about, so it is valuable as a compendium of Chinese Esoteric Anatomy. Volume Four deals more with healing techniques, though with a little creativity anyone could apply them to magic also. Having gone back and reviewed these volumes, I can say that anyone who is interested in the Daoist Magic Books would be well off investing in at least the first three volumes of the Medical Qigong series. They are good introductions to all of the practices that later appear in the Daoist Magic books. One could work with the material in the first three medical Qigong books for at least a couple of years and lay an excellent foundation for using the Daoist Magic books and also find out if one really likes Daoist Magic or not. All this for less then $200.00, plus applicable tax and shipping. This is less than most of the other books cost singly. This now would be my recommended procedure for someone who has little experience with Daoist Magic or magic in general. Volume Two has a great deal of training in Daoyin as well as material on mantra, mudra, soul and spirit projection, basic exorcism, etc. Volume Three gives a lot of information about space clearing and protection within the context of setting up a medical Qigong practice, but anyone with a little magical background can see its usefulness to magic. Jerry Alan Johnson's specific book on mantra and mudra is Daoist Magical Incantations, Hand Seals, and Star Stepping. Incantations are of course what I referred to as mantra, Hand seals are mudra and as a bonus you get to learn how the Daoist 'paces the void' by doing ritual walks, danced in public rituals complete with music, but usually walked in private and some of them can also be done in the palm and fingers of ones hand for seated meditation practices. I have walked the Nine Stars on my fingers hundreds of times, probably in the thousands by now. I'll try to say more later, but I think that covers most of what you asked. I might scan and post the indexes, while technically the indexes are copyright, Jerry Allen Johnson will not lose income and they since they might help his sales if people see how much good information is contained in them, I don't think he would object. Rushed right now, sorry for any mistakes or omissions.

I will in a bit, i am working on my reply to Green Tiger now.