JohnC

Adding to the beautiful women meditating:

Bump to this. In the similar vein: I've learned a bunch about 'nei gong' and what corresponds to that. I've gotten INTO qigong, and nei gong learned, practiced and developed for the past 6 years. I've been initiated into a lineage and started giving treatments to others. I've learned about different meditation masters of different lineages. In general I've learned a ton from the tao bums, and owe my current location with energy work to this forum. Despite the rabble, disagreement arguments, and bullshit, there is a lot of quality information here, with people that have shared a lot. John

Per your question, That is how it occurs to me. The more I practice the more it occurs to me as a lot of nei gong taoist cultivation is an energized form of developing one pointed concentration then developing the all encompassing awareness WITH development of energy levels, dantien, etc... I'm seeing and feeling a lot of cross over of Indian systems where they emphasize the development of consciousness. Just said with different labels and translated through different cultures. At least where I'm at. John

That said, Michael Puett's understanding of a lot of chinese texts seems to be veeeeeeerrrryyy scholarly. You can see some of his writing here: http://scholar.harvard.edu/puett/publications I'm looking for if the class is online... sounds interesting. John

Why "nice try"? I think they are succeeding if people are questioning their lives.... John

Fascinating ideas. I practiced a insight practice for a long time, and would notice how my insight would come and go depending on how stressed I was. That as I practiced and relaxed into insight, I would have more, but if I had some hard days I would become more reactive, and see less into my emotions. Struggled with this... that it was like the practice was required. Sounds like your saying that as you develop the dantien, you move up in awareness and energy and stabilize? John

Much more joyous. He seems sharper/smarter in the first, and more... happy in the second two.

I think it can be useful sometimes, but with the understanding that it was the ancient Chinese language, interpreted by someone who knows current the current language, then translated into another cultures language and understanding (english in our case). So the information could be far from accurate. John

Bump... I'd like to hear about these being a.... hobby herbalist.

Totally agree with this. Many of the great masters I've seen have studied and mastered multiple systems condensing it into one system. Hu Yao Zhen did this when he created stillness movement, and Wang Jue Min studied with 5 different masters of different systems and added to the lineage (in what way I'm not sure). Michael Lomax studied with 2, and added Taoist Medicine to the SM lineage. Ming Pang of Zhineng(chi-lel) studied with a number of masters of different lineages consolidating the practices down to a powerful medical qigong. Even Chun Yi Lin of Spring Forest qigong studied with many masters, although I'm not sure who. So all this said, I think dedicating yourself to a lineage is important, and learning from many others is important as well. From there you can add to the spiritual understanding of qigong. But like anything it takes years of practice, and study. The guys that are part of zhineng qigong are really big about this. It's kind of cool how much they experiment with chi to see to what extent they can do stuff. John

BKA, Do you practice wikka and bagua in tandem? John

I've been practicing for... 2.5 years now, and some sessions I have zero movement. Sometimes I'm very physically active. I'm sure Lomax will chime in shortly though. John

In many high level systems I've heard it talked about that the lower dantien is just a starting place. Not THE starting place. But that as you develop your entire body will become an energy center. John

This. Bump for solid.

People have reported to me that it feels like golden light when I practice Taoist medicine on them, like liquid gold going into them. My experience as well.... and generally it feels like a thickness to me. John

Cool thread. I enjoyed everything everyone brought.

I think so. I find that anything that completely takes you out of the moment can be meditative and give you perspective. But the one pointed focus that is developed out of bullet hell games sounds a whole lot like a lot of meditations. BUT, I don't think it clears and goes into the same depth as when you close your eyes and learn to interact with your internal world.

In line with Byron Katie, I recommend Sedona method or Abundance course, both based on the ideas of Lester Levenson.

Huh, this is my experience as well. That as I hold my awareness on my ldt it's almost like there is a buzzing or increasing of light in my head or something. I don't have the zoning out experience, but I do notice what feels like energy in my head or third eye area. Thanks, John

Your right, it could be completely different. Might be the same too. I believe that for the mo pai system they have you sit on the ground to gather yin chi. As far as I know, I don't practice mo pai. I also believe that in our system it's not necessary to sit on the ground. Not mutually exclusive in my mind, and not a 'fact' because you and your system says so. I further believe that there may be other ways to even further cultivate all that there is to cultivate, yin chi included. Things no one knows yet. I don't need to use the ignore button, I respect your choice in your decision and it doesn't bug me that you state it. I am not interested in you shitting on SM or SM threads though. If you can't respect what we believe please abstain from commenting in SM threads, and use the ignore button as much as possible. I wish you the best on your path as well. John

I have complete respect for the system of Mo pai. We aren't talking about the system of Mo pai, or what mo pai considers yin chi. We are talking about your lack of respect for others to believe something other than you, whether it's fact, fiction, or somewhere in between. What I have disdain for is your disrespect of our choice to believe something. Even while we are respecting the fact that you are believing something different. It's called trolling. What you are doing is the same as a religious extremist, making sure that we all know the 'truth'. Generally shitting on everyone else's opinion, and pushing your own in the name of 'It's a fact!!!' I'm not interested in your 'facts' You can call it fact as much as you want. Doesn't change whether it is or isn't. Hundreds of years ago, fact was the world was flat. John

Your version of it. And so are we... albeit with more acceptance of others opinions. As far as I'm concerned, I see you as spreading mis-information. It's clear to me you aren't interested in debate, or actually looking at the issue. Please don't post in any stillness movement threads, we aren't interested in your opinions about SM. John

You get that you are doing the same thing right? That as much as we cite something different, you come back with what you believe as evidence. That it won't go anywhere but in a circle. The bottom line is that it comes down to a choice about what you believe, and then respecting others beliefs. You believe one thing about yin chi, and we believe something separate. I can't speak for everyone, but I'll respect your opinions, so please respect ours. Although jumping into threads and telling people they are wrong in separate systems, and in general saying that 'THIS is how the world works and everyone that believes anything opposite is WRONG' probably won't get you very far... John

This system doesn't have the aims of mopai, which is to create someone into a weapon. This system's aim is different... I get that you believe what you think, and you hold that as true. We don't. Feel free to start threads on what you define as Mopai's yin chi, mo pai and whatever else but leave this thread. You aren't helping, and you are cluttering in a thread about stillness movement. John

Great post and gave me insight into what is Tibetan Buddhism right? John