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This one is in Mandarin, so can't understand it. You guys know of any other media or history on it? John

Whoever developed that site is ridiculous and couldn't possibly know what he is doing! The guy that built that is named trunk and he is on this forum. It's a quality site. John

Interesting. Mopaiguy ought to hear about this.. Didn't Max take the yigong posture from Jenny? And I thought it was Maoshan. John

I think stillness movement naturally does alchemy and the MCO. Not sure though... I've heard it's from the quanzhen school, which longmen pai is from as well. John

Huh, I think the character is fairly well developed. I enjoyed the authors perticular writing style as well. But I'll probably be checking out Eli Monpress soon. John

If you like Brandon Sanderson (who is awesome): Awesome: You'll love The Night Angel Trilogy from Brent Weeks The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss <- READ! Among Thieves by Douglas Hulick Good: The Lies of Locke Lamora - by Scott Lynch The Warded Man - Peter Brett Theft of Swords - Michael J Sullivan The Dragons Path - Daniel Abraham - better than good.. but not awesome. Ok: The Blade Itself - Joe Abercrombie John

Sillum, Could you please leave. This is one of the most impressive threads in thetaobums, and one that Terry Dunn has invested a lot in and I find very interesting. Your input isn't wanted, isn't helpful, nor beneficial. If you want to talk about your version of whatever, could you go do it in another thread? Get out man. John

Informative post.

I just wanted to repost this due to so much misinformation moving around about ejaculating around practices as if your head will explode. Shesh. John

Yea there is a point in the training where you break the chords connecting to the dantien to allow it to move around freely. I know of a tai chi master in san fran that can do the same, he was a student of hu yao zhen or Chen Fake. John

Not in my experience. She is speaking of stillness movement.

I thought that all they guys who were interested in Mo Pai would be on the next flight to Missouri when they read this. I don't think that happened though. I've never read Magus of Java, but I get the feeling that Michael doesn't have the same mystique as John Chang. Or rather, he has a different type of mystique. This just deserves repeating. John

Not for my seminar. When he first walked in as he opened the doors to the inner sanctum of the Marriott training grounds ethereal mists cascaded past him into the room bathing everyone in an otherworldly light. He approached us with an inscrutable look, masking the depth of knowledge within, stroking a long fu manchu in his oriental robes. And then as we all waited on baited breath he said ' alright ya'll, were going to talk about nei gong now.' But yea I totally agree. The only masterly stuff he does is listen with a knowing smile, and not talk about the technical stuff, saying 'don't worry about that' if you ask, but teaches very straight forward, practical and down to earth. Simply. John

I'm not sure what exactly they do, only my experience of it and you can draw your own conclusion. As far as my experience, yi gong seems to specifically develop awareness and clear out stuck emotions. Like when I practice I'll go very deeply inside, and my awareness seems to settle in the center of my head(upper dantien?). Jenny speaks to it on her website that it specifically develops yi (intent)and awareness. Stillness movement, when I practice it has me feeling like I'm buzzing on the inside, my awareness settles on my lower dantien and it gets hot and sometimes my arms will get hot. With where I'm at spontaneous movement occurs sometimes and when it does I go very deep into meditation. I also feel any areas that hurt or the like will buzz/pop/creak and the pain will go away and I take that as healing. From what I know, SM is aimed at developing the dantien, building energy for healing, and connecting to the tao. You develop the ability to emit qi, which is fucking magic when you first heal a headache(which I did the other day ). While yi gong is focused on developing awareness, intent and wisdom. So you get insight and it almost occurs telepathic. And I'm drawn to both practices. John

I got the kunlun book, and practiced the first posture for about 3 years for an hour a day. I heard that Max got it from Jenny, and bought her dvd. I enjoy her teaching style and she seems very grounded and down to earth. As a practice it's been very powerful for me, and I've moved into deeper and deeper awareness about conciousness, connection with self, and just in general developed a ton of awareness. Like that the thoughts are just a by product of the emotion, let go of the emotion, and the questions and issues clear. That all suffering is by choice. To be more present at all times. That knowledge is great, but doesn't matter so much as your connection to your self, like it's just something to placate your self so you feel comfy in doing what your about to, wisdom being the key, etc etc. And when I hold it my eyes naturally look to that inner spot in the mind or whatever... the pineal gland I guess. Like all those things the meditators talk about I've come to through the practice of it. It seems like vipasssana super powered. Regardless, if I'm hurting emotionally, or hung up about stuff emotionally, I practice and it clears up. Currently my main practice is stillness movement, but I have extremely high regard for yi gong and continue to practice it. SM develops the dantien and seems to develop a ton of energy inside of you quickly, while yi gong specifically develops awareness. John

Dude it doesn't sound like apples to oranges. It sounds more like you think it should be very difficult. All the quotes you've posted are in line with what Lomax has posted. And as he's said you do fill the LDT. In stillness movement, it develops the lower dantien very quickly, in my experience, faster than any system I've experienced. And the practice itself takes you very deep very quickly. Not forced, but definitely facilitated. I'll be practicing, and an hour will fly by. Like I'll come to with a jerk, look at the clock and realize I've hit my hour of practice. It sounds to me like you think it should be really hard. And if it isn't difficult it isn't doing anything? Which also sounds like it is getting in the way of your practice, which surprised me in reading some of your posts, that you don't practice that much even though you occur very diligent in learning about all this. But also in my experience, hard doesn't necessarily mean more effective. John

From what I've also heard kunlun posture lvl 2 and 3 are parts of the same system. Sounds like how they look. But she says she hasn't taught lvl 2 and 3. All rumors and the like, but supposedly Max stole them? I don't know. I do know, lvl 1 is considered it's own complete system, able to lead you to enlightenment on it's own. And lvl 2 & 3 aren't considered greater or more, but each their own individual practice. John

Not during haha. Afterwards actually. John

Yea it's great, and it isn't her version of kunlun. Kunlun(which Max developed) originated from yi gong, and Jenny is a teacher of Max, last I heard. As an aside I was doing yi gong, the first posture in kunlun, and was on day 30 is of no masturbation. I started to masturbate, and when I got close to orgasm it felt like all the energy was suddenly pulled to the back of my spine and shot up to my head. Was pretty crazy. But as far as I'm concerned the stored energy is put to use. John

Then I'm cursed as fuck and I love it. Damn I'm suffering so much in what feels like love, passion and enjoyment! And I don't even know it's suffering! Oh noes! Bwhahaha. John

Awesome. The ability to give others peace. John

Conspiracy theories of bigpharma and all that aside I think that tai chi and qigong are starting to make headway into hospitals... I work at duke university hospital, and in their brand new cancer center they have a meditation center with a depiction of someone sitting cross legged. I was surprised to see that, thinking there would be a prayer center or something. So I went in and did some stillness movement at lunch. I actually think what you, Brion and Jim are doing are slowly trickling out and people are starting to notice, per that docs and vets are pushing people to you. I also imagine that it will take time and proving it through client responses, which is something I really admire about stillness movement and this lineage. It's very cut and dry with proof. The proof via the clients happiness increasing and pain going away. But I think really a lot of this is just going to take some time because of skepticism and the adoption rate is a bit slow... And even speaking to pain as a teacher and the like, I think it was Terry dunn on his PFQG thread that said when he had to heal some zen monks, that they had meditated on their pain body so much their bodies were like rock hard boards. So for what it's worth. The prices though are shocking in comparison. Maybe you ought to raise your prices so people who don't know or understand will think it's more valuable... (Joking joking, I like the prices where they are.) John

The long and the short of my post: Don't feed them trolls! it only makes them bigger. Without further ado: I want to hear about pain and the topic in general.. BACK TO THE TOPIC OF PAIN. Make a fucking thread to discuss other shit. John

Good post but your doing it wrong ! I had to take letting go, which sinfest suggested, and show it in a movie. I suggested the five elements, which you would have to show in a movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl5azYCsqd8&feature=related Illustrate the five elements