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But there is plenty on here - in fact it is the first resort of those that cannot explain themselves. Since without ideas how can you explain. Agreed, Really? What about for example 'a triangle has three sides' - when does that 'go' and before that when did it come? I think you may be mixing up thoughts, feelings and perceptions with ideas. What kind of life are you leading - sipping wine, looking at Dali ... and well, nevermind. I would say all of these are fully appreciated through ideas. If the Dali painting doesn't spark of thoughts and ideas then you are not really appreciating it. That Nuncle, is the secret. But I would like, if permitted to continue to praise ideas, without them life would be jejune.

Yes the main thing that holds me back from Christianity is Christianity itself.

Towards the window.

I find my orientation to be generally north by north east unless there’s a stiff southerly which can cause me to tilt west. On a rough day the weather cock can swing wildly leading to scattered spume on deck. Look lively ye lubbards and hoist the top sail.

THIS!!!!!!

Yes we’ve had quite a few conversations on here about spiritual bypassing - I don’t think that we should confuse meditation with therapy.

I have no idea what that means.

Same as me? Really how bizarre.

I wasn’t trying to grade you but I just wondered where you derive the authority with which you speak about meditation. I actually agree that it can be used as avoidance strategy - there’s a term for it which I can’t remember. I would suggest though that whatever knowledge you have may be incomplete as you seem to assume that people are saying things which they are not. That’s all.

How much meditation practice experience do you have, may I ask. Also I don’t remember mentioning a 24/7 Sati so why do you assume that is what I am talking about?

The point I was trying to make is that the ‘meditation’ ceases to be a practice - for instance there is a stage called ‘ non meditation’ of Mahamudra.

A non-dual realisation (even tho this is a nonsense term really) is a direct insight of the 'not two ness' of subject and object. It has feeling associated with it, joyful loving feelings, but it is not the feelings. 'Body' is another matter of course which is changed in perspective by the realisation - there is no actual transcendence in this respect - as transcendence is only something we think about from our side of the thing. The 'unborn' is the cause, the path and the result - even the obstruction is the path. In Mahamudra practice the view of shamatha/vipasanya is different. In a way they no longer comprise practices or techniques but are the actual settling or resting in the immediacy of mind/awareness and the seeing what the awareness is, its nature. Techniques may be used to introduce yourself to this experience (wrong word but will have to do) but the meditation has no process or technique in the end. There is no further stage of elaboration needed.

Actually I find that quite normal. Love should always be to the person and not their attributes. on the other hand Buddhism and gurgling like a baby is a bit odd 😃

What is zapchen? your story confused me can you do the cliff notes version?

By the time we got to Woodstock we were half a million strong…

There is no gradual path which is not sudden. There is no sudden path which is not gradual. There is no path. Everything is the path unless it isn’t.

…not.

Not really.

smells like teen spirit

The two truths doctrine is a fudge to cover inconsistency in Buddhist thinking.

That's not what Mark is saying I don't think.

I think the art of translation must be one of the greatest human skills to acquire.

That makes a great deal of sense! Marvellous thank you.

Welcome - look forward to hearing from you.

Maybe I was taught in a non-standard way ... or maybe not. But certainly the skandhas were applied to phenomena to 'show' emptiness and then the same process applied to oneself. I think the issue may be that Buddhism doesn't really use ontological proofs at all. Unlike other systems. But this may be yet another of my unpopular opinions