Apech

I am slightly puzzled by how you know the insights and results are the same. Can I ask what exactly are 'Divine beings' in your system?

I get your continental drift.

Fatherland

Just for clarity - (from Wiki)

Lotts

Sodom and tomorrow

weak beer

Hara

bunker down

Thanks for this. I get your fist example - though I don't agree with it - your second example is strange to me (but of course that may be my limited understanding of the process you are describing). When you say A 'helps' B - how does this work? With reference to your yidam practice you quote - neither of your examples is at all like yidam practice. In this case I speak from experience.

A charges B 1,999.00$ and gives him a DVD and a free plastic statue.

meter rule

Here is new topic split from Buddhist section

Dear Bums, On Jonesboy's suggestion I have split off the last part of our discussion to a new thread in General called 'Merging and guruyoga' Hope everyone is ok with this

Hi guys, I put some thought into Jonesboys merging thing and I do think there are different ways of understanding this issue. If I can paint a picture for illustration purposes it might help with this (maybe ). If we say that reality is something like a field of energy/consciousness and that individual beings are modalities within this field - say like little whirlpools in an ocean or planets in Einsteinian space/time - then we have four possible merges. If we take two beings A + B - where A is the master and B the student. 1. A + B transcend their individuality and 'merge' in the field. 2. A + B somehow superimpose and attenuate to the max degree possible their 'skins'. 3. A activates his own being which transmits through field vibration to B. 4. A realises own nature as being not-different to the energy of the field, B realises own nature as being not different to the energy field thus in this sense A is not different to B. Now this is not taken from Buddhadharma - its just so we can discuss. I would say that 4. is closest to guru-yoga provided you understand the lineage factor aswell. This is straight off the top of my head so feel free to comment.

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Yoga pants

avidya

OK. I was just saying that they refer to merging but perhaps mean something different to you. That's all.

Perhaps you are talking about something different to guru yoga in your 'merge'. But this thread is about what the Buddha is incorrect about not what you are incorrect about. If I have to choose then the choice is easy

Well as you know there are lots of different schools of Buddhism which practice different things. I wasn't very keen on the Shinzen Young video - and he seems to be versed in Shingon from Japan - but hey what do I know :). Anyway - no its not symbolic - and why would you wish to merge with anything other than the wisdom-mind of the guru? Do you wish to merge with other confused and 'ignorant' beings? And why?

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