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It's eight - they released one person. The Uk Gov. is Conservative anti-immigration and pro-Brexit - which policies are pathetic? Why would bombing a pop concert bring down a government? The bombing was more of an attack on our culture and values than on the government. In fact it is more likely to strengthen support for the Conservatives in the forthcoming general election.

Place your bets ladies and gentlemen ... the race is on ...

We could withdraw funding and charitable status from Mosques and organisations who allow extremist views. (for a start).

It's called english.

Ah! I didn't know that. It's not being reported here. So they truely screwed up. But I tend not to criticise the police and MI5 and so on - as they do their best - I only criticise the perpetrators.

Well, I just see that as the Iraq War all over again.

What info did the French share?

I think the defect of that philosophy is that what we have to accept is that the terrorists are sub-set of the strict Muslim community. They will be able to seek refuge and hide amongst the general population and just reemerge once our troops have gone home. They have no interest in peace, they want the war to end war which results in a Caliphate. It would be better if we left them to fight it out amongst themselves and strengthen our borders and security to keep our own populations safe. Which is what Trump seemed to say when he was campaigning. It won't be easy - but its the best way forward.

Actually we were with you in Afghanistan and iraq - we have one of the best security services in the world and counter intelligence (despite this one slipping the net) - we have stopped up to 13 threats in recent years. I don't think there is any nation does more than us.

yes, you misunderstand me. They are losers sure, but I want world leaders, our leaders in the west to address the issue with more intelligence than 'good guys, bad guys'. For instance is Putin a good guy or a bad guy? Is Assad a good guy or a bad guy? Is Erdrogan good or bad? is Merkel good or bad? Is Trump good or bad? I'm not at all PC. After all this bomber came from a family to whom the UK gave asylum - we took them in, educated them, fed them, gave them a future which was denied to them by Gaddafi - and in return they plot against us and blow up innocents. That's the stark reality. The sooner we face up to knowing we face an ideology which hates us the better. So what i want to know is - Mr. Trump head of the richest, most powerful country in the free world - what's the plan???? Call them names? Hardly.

Cos we've tried it already and it didn't work.

What I liked about Trumps candidacy was America First and lets stop interfering in the Middle East. What happened to that? The way to tackle this Islamist ideology is not to bomb or invade Muslim countries.

In line for what?

I made this post by copy pasting the youtube vid URL in and it came up as a link and not a video. Not sure what I did wrong.

The woman in this used to be my MP in Salford/Manchester: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgbSgG6ifiQ

Calling them 'losers' just seems to me and extension of the old political rhetoric of 'good guys and bad guys' which I think Bush used. This is so simplistic it's painful. It is as if Americans really believe that there are cowboys in white hats and black hats. The world is a very complex place and while there are evil acts like this bombing of innocents - its all mixed up with centuries if not millennia of conflict. What the world is crying out for is an intelligent and properly articulated response to islamic terrorism and it would be better if the so called leader of the free world could provide it. To see Trump addressing a group of Muslim leaders telling them to drive out something they actually fund and layer this on our ridiculous response to the Arab spring and so on - all you are witnessing is confusion and posturing.

The UK Government is fuming. Mind you it seems to me now this is all coming out that they majorly fucked this one up. The bomber just returned from Libya a couple of days before the bombing, his family are all involved, his father fought for some Islamist Group against Gadaffi - and people had reported his strange behaviour. So seems to me anyone coming back from Libya or Syria etc. without a good explanation as to what they have been up to out there should be detained or at least put under 24 hr surveillance. The UK Govt. has put troops on the streets to support the police and raised the alert level to critical - which means another attack is expected. Some might say this is a cynical ploy in the middle of a General Election campaign to gain support for the Conservatives - and I think in this case those people might have a point.

I used to live in Didsbury - it has a nice Nepalese Restaurant called The Third Eye and a Chinese Restaurant called the Happy Buddha. (just a little context for you). When are you Americans going to fix your security leaks????? - first you leaked the bombers name, then pics of the bomb which were part of police forensic investigation. Why? Its an ongoing investigation and they are trying not to let the terrorist network which he appears to have been part of know what they know. Arrests are still being made.

You need to add which part of their body they are suspended by.

Just words ... that's all.

Exactly - these facts are only just coming out. But an immigration ban won't work now - it's too late. But I think they should not have let him back from Libya/Syria ...

UK government being as informative as usual ... ... so shut up you yanks!!!!!

You are never going to believe this - I planted a plastic bottle ... and ....

So do tell - what's the new playbook?

Well, in his inaugural address he said something about eliminating Islamic terrorism from the face of the earth - so start with the Saudis who fund it - he needs to do a bit more than make a speech.