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A Dan-tien is specifically a field (tien) for producing the elixir/pill (dan). The three that we work with are located in the abdomen, thorax and head - which are the three main divisions of the human (and most other organisms) body. So some would say that unless you are at the stage of producing the 'pill' there is no actual Dantien. Similarly there is actually no MCO unless this process has started. What most people are doing in relation to these parts of their being - especially the three areas of the Dantiens and the Eight extraordinary meridians is just laying the foundations - that is conserving, enhancing energy and removing obstacles. The chakras are vortexes. In yoga systems they exist permanently as part of the system of nodes and channels. They are more like something to do with different levels of experiencing reality. But my understanding is limited so I will say no more on this. Hopefully an expert will pop up to help. Relaxed body - yes, stopped mind - no. Actually by reducing chatter and distraction your mind is more present and aware - so it is not stopped. There are of course forced methods - personally I don't use them much - but others use them a lot. Where I do use them is when I already have the awareness but there is a lot of inertia. Sometimes practice becomes stale. There is also the case that there are points on the body where it is quite difficult to get the energy to penetrate - this may feel like forcing but is really just arising from necessity. This is just my view of course.

Hi Juan, It's a good thing if you can feel energy flow in your body. As you have already noted different systems have different descriptions of the subtle body in which this energy operates. This isn't a problem and just reflects varied perspectives and ways of seeing how the subtle body is structured. Every system though, I think, will tell you the first things to do about is lay the foundations. This is based round cultivating and conserving energy to improve your state of being and health. The first thing is to learn to settle your mind - usually accomplished by mediation techniques focussing on breath. The second thing is to address your own conduct and things in your life which make you waste energy or are distractions (or even harmful habits). The third is learn how to remove obstructions to the free circulation of the energy flows. This is not done by force or visualisations but by gently learning how to deal with the energy through a natural approach. You don't need to try to force it into any kind of learned behaviour because it will find its own way if you let it. There are many, many, tricks and techniques - some helpful and some not - which you can experiment with if you wish - and its usually best to learn these from someone who is properly qualified themselves - but the main thing is someone who your own feelings tell you is ok to learn from. Hope this is some help to you

HM Secret Service all slaves to Langley now.

Espionage.

I would not be seen dead in anything other than yellow stockings (cross gartered) ...

@Karl - just to let you know I'm in the process of registering for a postal vote from outside UK - I will vote to remain so that your vote to leave will be neutralised ... so really there's no point you voting is there.

Norman Lamont you are quoting now! Just make a list of the leave campaign leaders and then have a good chuckle. Ship of fools. ha ha.

That is a plan ... of sorts.

So ... there is no plan ... it's just a romantic dream.

Even the out group are arguing for a future which would be within the European free trade zone, so like Norway we would still effectively be within the Union rules with zero influence over them. The most unconvincing thing about the 'leave ' campaign is the lack of a realistic future plan. Its all very well talking about wider trade zones with the US and the Commonwealth and so on but it would take years to negotiate such deals.

There's an endless supply of this stuff:

Nil points.

Although it's been all over the news lately I can't help feeling we are sleepwalking towards this referendum. It's not very British to be part of Europe since we spent more or less 1000 years sitting slightly outside and playing one faction off against the other. Waging war on the strongest to keep them from forming a united Europe (e.g. Napoleonic wars). If the English vote with their gut they will Brexit, if they vote with their heads they'll stay in - god only knows where their hearts are. Since all of big business and the City are behind staying in, my guess is that we will get an in vote whatever way that can be achieved. One of the out leaders Boris Johnson is even talking about a second referendum - what a chump.

He's done the ngondro three times!!!! (according to wiki)

where's the attraction in watching scantily clad women stretch themselves???????

Why ruin an otherwise sober and logical thread with wild speculation??????

You're trying hard but you're not as cynical as me. Which ever way this jumps the same group stay in charge.

Just to complete the quote: 'Karma is only given gravity by the force with which it is fed, Obi-Wan.'

Gove is Cameron's buddy positioning himself in the case of a 'leave' vote so the same clique can retain power. That's all.

Good hedges make good neighbours.

I'm waiting for Suspended animation magicians in Russia 2 - I think it will be the best in the series, then there's Return of the suspended animation magicians in Russia - but that may be the weakest of the trilogy.

Nein second chances ... makes eighteen. No actually, you know what? I vote to stay in cos we're already in. I don't want to be affected by or disturbed by all the money and time wasting fuss of a Brexit. We only have finite days on this earth and I would like to be left alone. I know the EU is crap but so would a Brexist be crap also. So if you ask me to chose between two buckets of crap then I'll just keep the one I've already got. In fact, phone up Cameron and cancel the referendum will you please, old chap. Cos that will be weeks of polls and endless punditry, vox pox (yes I meant that) interviews and I'm not sure I have the strength.

Now we can all relax and get on with life.

Looks like they got a deal.

You have to remember the dialectic - things change, adapt and so in response to different causes and conditions.