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Yes of course otherwise a degree of drowning might occur.

and yours?

Time you got a proper job

Prussia! Is it 1875?

Forgive them they know not what they do. For them liberal=socialist=communist=fascist=Nazi ... !

'He'?

Neo Nazi?

They go straight from college (usually Oxford) with a PPE degree and into politics. Boris is kind of fun ... but he started off as a joke on Have I Got News For You ... and somehow stumbled into power ... as PM? no thanks. I like the fringe characters like the late Tony Benn ... you don't have to agree with them but you know some serious thinking and caring went into what they believed.

Try this. What does 'within' or 'without' actually mean when you are talking about either the Godhead or the true Self?

Well in my experience they did get better, quite a lot better until Tony Blair decided to have a go at being world saviour. yes I'm not keen on mrs. Balls. ... in fact they all, apart from Corbyn seem like candidates for middle management in a social services department - or perhaps even the losing team in one of the less interesting episodes of The Apprentice who are sitting anxiously in the Boardroom.

Yes more or less.

Well its interesting that in the UK at least, the Labour party which traditionally is the socialist party seems to have completely abandoned its socialist roots. In the eighties when it was up against Thatcherism it went through internal modernisation which involved abandoning what was called Clause 4. This clause committed them to nationalization of the 'crowning heights' of the economy. In other words proper early 20 century state run industry. I think they had realised this was making them unelectable since everyone nowadays is some version of a middle of the road capitalist/conservative. Modernising in this way and presenting themselves as good managers with sound understanding of market economics (which they did have) was a kind fo rebranding which made them electable. After a period what followed were the unprecedented three consecutive election victories by so called 'New Labour' under Tony Blair. So the socialist had done what many individual socialists do - that is reinvent themselves as management experts through planned project management techniques, target driven expenditure and private/public partnerships to draw inward investment into education and healthcare. Now in the post Blair years the party sung back to the left a little but because of this mentality of the priority being to win elections and get into office, all the leading people in the Labour party spout the same kind of dreary management speak and so on. Uniquely now the speaker in my first video Jeremy Corbin who is running to be leader actually still believes in socialist principles. It is refreshing to hear - i.e. someone actually saying what they really think instead of what a focus groups has told them we want to hear. So all the others on here, Brain and Karl and so on, will be very pleased to hear that socialism is at a very low ebb in Britain.

Thank you Karl that was very revealing.

Ralis, I'm going to award you a medal. Even though I started this thread I was quickly worn down by the low level of knowledge masquerading as informed opinion from 'the others'. Well done.

Sure ... the parents are responsible and they should be protected.

My IQ is well above norm, mind you norm is pretty stupid.

Bang!

It's ok I'm going outside to shoot myself so no need to troll any more.

@Brian ...FFS you are depressing me.

Sorry as with Karl you have no clue about what is socialism or fascism for that matter. You are locked in an American mindset. Sorry but that's it. You are welcome to it of course. You can't say I haven't tried.

Alright I give up - you haven't got a clue about socialism or fascism. I suggest read some history and political theory.

Obamacare is not socialist ... it wouldn't even qualify for left of centre in any other developed country.

Well, you say 'unfortunately' which suggests you would prefer it to be otherwise. ... and in your second quote this is about people making choices and not about socialism or otherwise. Let me be clear ... I have no interest in converting anyone to socialism I just want people to get an idea what it actually is. then they can reject it if they want. The trouble with America is as my second vid amply illustrates people have been denied the opportunity of knowing what it is through state propaganda originating in the Cold War. So you are not free to accept or reject.

Socialism has not yet existed and so that is impossible.

But this is the whole point. Socialism is the goal not the method.