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What in your view is the goal of any kind of social organisation?

Liberal and left wing are not the same thing.

You are just throwing in a distasteful view from the sidelines to distract from the argument. We are not discussing eugenics.

Socialism is NOT about forms of government. Socialism is a way which seeks to use forms of government for social aims, rather than revolutionary force which = communism. The aims of both are to remove the suffering caused by people acting through individual greed without addressing the effect on others.

Are you suggesting something like this actually happened? Or are you just making up something which backs up your view? I would suggest if you want to base theory on actuality then you need to show that for instance early man, in hunter-gatherer groups actually behaved in this way. One thing we do know from archeology is that there was a high level of cooperation and trade between far flung places in these early communities but I would suggest that they operated very differently from any back projected anachronistic economic theory might imagine.

Wot?

Slightly patronising tone I see.

If anyone would care to watch the second video I posted: http://thedaobums.com/topic/38911-socialism-does-work/?p=636111 will discover that socialism does not = the government does everything. Socialism is the idea that the goal of political organisation is social good for all and should be compared with the Adam Smith idea that the selfish pursuit of the individual is the key to general happiness. i.e. with the UK NHS health care because of cost centre provisioning and so the state is actually being the capitalist BUT the aim to create a healthy population is socialist because it is not geared to meeting individual demand but the health of all.

This guy is brilliant ... for anyone struggling with deciding exactly what socialism is (which is a problem for all Americans it seems, a point I have made before) ... you need to watch the whole thing by the way ...

@Marblehead, That is the normal debating style in both the Oxford Union and the House of Commons. The speaker can give way if challenged on a point of order or information. Its not rude it's just the way it's done.

Well you must have got more out of it than I did. Which is probably a good thing. I thought it was basically kiss and tell. But I suppose the possible suicide of some of the group is tragic. I know people are going to shout at me for saying this - but I think a lot of times the groupies are asking to be used. They could probably walk away but something makes them want more. I know there's some cults that are violent, threatening and abusive - so that's different but a lot of the time I think the members have to take responsibility.

yea but have you read that book its nothing but tittle tattle. so Magical Passes is bollocks ... but his other books are great. Even if he was a bit dodgy.

When I see the words 'non-duality teacher' I reach for my vajra.

I hope the parents were prosecuted.

Go and see a doctor. Then try to chill out a bit. Take some exercise, hot shower and eat well. If you are interested in this stuff you need to understand a lot more before you do anything except gentle qi gong maybe and some sitting meditation. no forcing of anything. See if you can find a competent teacher (in person not on here).

Could you be more Pacific?

So it's a game of hangman?

Raises an interesting set of questions.

Hmmmm ... no you are not.

Sounds like you muscles went into spasm. For God's sake stop doing this stuff. Read extensively on the subtle body, qi and also anatomy and the basics of internal alchemy before going any further.

Which idiot are you?

Try doing deep whole body relaxation - as you know all muscle groups are ultimately linked and so focussing directly on one are of tension does not always work. Start with scalp or soles of feet and work your way up/down body while lying on your back. Also agree you should consult medics re: hernia to rule it out.

A thousand thanks Donald I was hoping you would respond to that nonsense.

I'm in.

Yeah I get that but it needs some serious backing up to be a real theory and not just a nice idea.