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Not one for long quotes usually but this one is worth reading. (Found it on Facebook !!!)

Patrolling officers? For goodness sake.

Course you could. Being a 'dildo to your friends' is what some of us are cut out for.

I refute your Lama Dama Ding Dong .. he know's nothing.

This is definitely part of the issue that we want to address. and ...""Look chaps, we have been receiving some complaints with regards to this, this and this, what sort of feedback can we get to try and reach a resolution?"" ... this is really what is happening now. Personally as I said above I would like the discussion to be more in the spirit of dharma as I outlines above somewhere.

I'd like to put a pinned 'read this first' thread which says basically: This sub forum is a place where Buddhist values prevail, namely; 1 ) rigorous debate but in a spirit of kindness and compassion, 2 ) value the other poster even if you disagree; if they irritate you treat them as a teacher of non-attachment, 3 ) respect all dharmas Buddhist and non-Buddhist, 4 ) keep on topic - which is buddhadharma (if you want to post about your own ideas or another system go to another sub-forum), 5 ) if you refute another's view give an explanation for doing so. NB: Please keep to the words and spirit of this guidance, if you do not your posts and topics may be split and moved.

I'm not sure you can say that. I have just read through the original post again and recognise many of the symptoms identified but not in such an extreme form. Movement of energies such as this when you don't understand properly what is happening can be truly disturbing.

Any chance of getting back on topic?

Samantabhadra is a primordial Buddha (cp. Vajra-Dhara) ... Vajrasattva is a Sambhogha Kaya emanation of Akshobya ... so in essence Garab Dorje received teachings direct from the Sambhoga Kaya which you could (with care) interpret to mean from his Mind. Saying it came from 'heaven' would not be far off. This is true also of other Mahasiddhis.

I became enlightened contemplating the answer to that.

I think you are a bit confused better read up on history of Buddhism in China.

http://www.keithdowman.net/lineage/lineage_trees.htm

For those of you who haven't tried it this is how real sexual intercourse works:

Thank god he kept his trousers on.

--- Moderator Message --- Everything from 'hypocrisy' to 'Bill Clinton' moved to the Pit. -- Message Ends ---

Thanks very interesting. I think that many great masters are subject to death by hagiographication (if that is a word). Once we make a teacher a divine saint we lose an opportunity to relate to them or even understand what they were saying or doing. Glossing due to the wish to deceive or through fear is a crime.

Could you give some idea of the flaws you see in the Buddha's character (genuine question not challenging your view just interested).

? so ... perfectly normal I see that sort of thing everyday.

Personally speaking I no mind if you no mind.

--- Moderator Message --- Split to the Pit the bickering circular nonsense and name calling. Any more like this will be split off also. --- Message Ends ---

---Moderation Message --- This is an interesting thread for the most part but I notice that it has descended into ad hominem during (what for me is) the night. I'm not sure why it is not possible for people to hold a debate on a topic such as this without resorting to armchair psychoanalysis of the person who disagrees with them. I could split and pit this unproductive part of conversation but i won't for now I'll keep it intact in the hope that we can squeeze some more juice from ideas around interpreting dzogchen, madhyamaka, yogacara and so on. But please avoid personal attacks as they are both against TB rules and very un-Buddhist. --- Mod Message Ends ---

Every single Buddhist in the world is kind, compassionate and wise. Every single Taoist in the world is gentle, harmonious and in tune with everything. Harmonious Emptiness welcome to my world of TaoBum-modation. Sit awhile amongst the scatter cushions of joy. Feel the love seeping from the screen and into your mind. Mmmmmmmmm peace.

What an excellent post. Just some points for further clarification. The supposed refusal of either eternalist or nihilist positions is I think actually part of a more general project of refusing to take any position at all. What comes across to many as a kind of cop out but I believe when first used by Nagarjuna was a method for freeing up people from the natural tendency to seek out and settle on some kind of 'arche' or first principle which made them feel more secure. I think he wanted them to be insecure (in a sense) that is unfettered by the need to fix on some albeit transcendent or universal thing as the big IT. I don't know about all Tantras but its seems to me the one's I am familiar with rely on the wisdom-mind being inherent in the natural state. Without that confidence then it would be difficult to achieve success. The power of the Madhyamaka view is that it is inherently logical and thus irrefutable by intellectual analysis. It is a skillful way of attack on the tendency of the mind to try to fix things for the purpose of ego security. I don't see a great deal of difference to this refusal to hold on to any reified substance or subject and 'the Tao which cannot be named'. I find that the more you progress with vajrayana through actual practice and less through reliance on book learning the more mind-only you become. Why? Because you are relating to something real I suppose. That realisation opens up the significance of the words in an unexpected way ... as in ah! that's what they meant! ... and that meaning is never the one you thought it was.

We do. Actually we have seven cos the One begat Six gatinhos.

Kidney failure its very common with cats. Buddhists die from karma failure I believe.