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Shame we can't blame the French for this.

and sheelah-na-gig over the doorway.

If I can answer that in a complicated way I would say 'what would you do?' - you would absorb the light-based conceptual essences which are your own unique key to yourself and who you truly are ... or something like that ...

Thank you.

Not sure if that was rhetorical or not but I feel that there is a paradoxical relationship going on here which kind of bounces your mind too and fro (rather koan like).

Go there and click on 'our theory' ...

No peace for the quicked

is that Taoist? can you give me the reference for this in the TTC or Zhuangzi?

I think love is something you do not something you feel. I also don't know what peace vibration is ... so send me to the back of the class and I'll just doodle on my pad.

Where does unformed energy emerge from? The ideas of beginning and returning don't really apply except as illustrations of relationship.

Or to bind the old powers to the new ... like Christian churches on pagan grounds ... but often the old power reasserts itself in some way ... so it is not lost but perhaps hidden.

Tra la la ... blow the trumpets of joy for truth has been spoken!!!!

The truth is formed and unformed energy (or that is a way of putting it).

(sorry )

No I'm saying the natural state is not relative and non-dual. ... its not an academic point but its probably beyond my skills to explain it properly without it sounding that way. I think you may be right in what you say about 'a state'. If I can think how to express this better I will try later.

Ecstatic means literally standing outside yourself ... in this case it would mean outside your egoic self ... being transported out ... sure so sublime states ... the natural state does not = ordinary state ... If by furniture you means thoughts, feelings, emotions, perceptions and so on ... then I think that the natural state appears in a relative way as a kind of clear background but ultimately even this is relative and all things are included ... as Milarepa said the clouds are the sky and the trees are the mountain ...(from 100,000 songs of Milarepa "Woman's Role in Dharma" last part ... if you have the book). This was explained to me by Ato Rinpoche so not entirely just my thoughts.

They have found underground tunnels already. There's no doubt that sacred sites tend to be built on older sacred sites. At Nabta Playa they placed cow shaped stones (to Hathor) on natural outcrops of similar shape ... this is may 8,000 years old ... so much of what we consider ancient is embellishment of even older things ... so who is to say how old these sites are? Probably as long as there have been humans ... (at least) ...

Yes, or maybe 'what else is there to do?' kind of thing.

Booo! Made you jump.

Degrees would be relative and the natural state is not relative (IMO). So the relativity is only in your perception if it and not in it.

Or perhaps its one > two > not-two .... ????

The context is this verse alone as far as I can tell - what comes next does not clarify (go to post no.1 and follow link for whole text). When you were one you became two - presumably means that although we are essentially a unity we 'fell' into dualism. When you are then a 'two' then I guess you work at becoming one again ????

Moving on from fire ....

Thank you ... that's brought some clarity for me. I never thought of a tender fire ... excellent.

Because this thread is about going through the verses of the Gospel of Thomas and discussing them ... its not for me it was a group decision. Whatever you feel about me is up to you but here I am acting as Steward of this sub forum.