Apech
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Yes of course you are right but Tibetan Buddhism has a number of strands ...and as a culture has the influences that I mentioned.
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Here https://plus.google.com/116586924757678129707/about?hl=en you mean?
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/14/gay-blood-ban-lives-risk
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Tell me what offends you, and I will tell you who you are
Apech replied to goldisheavy's topic in General Discussion
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A bungee jumping chicken in roller blades. (should I call my therapist?)
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Tell me what offends you, and I will tell you who you are
Apech replied to goldisheavy's topic in General Discussion
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I think you are trying to throw more fuel on a fire that is already burning.
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"a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"
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No but it is suggested in many western books on Buddhism that the schism was like Protestant/Catholic ... while now those in the field of study of the history of Buddhism are saying it is unlikely that Mahayana emerged in this kind of way. Buddhism and dharma is incredibly adaptive ... because it is not stuck in an entrenched deity worship view. For instance if you look at the history of Buddhist art you can see it change and absorb the culture in which it found itself. In the same way the style of practice can adapt to the needs of the people living in that time or place ... provided the core features (for instance the Four Seals) are preserved. Tibetan Buddhism is a prime example having absorbed Bon and the tantra of the mahasiddhis. In fact Thervavada is probably not the same as the ancient schools itself.
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Thanks dowloaded and after a quick scan looks interesting
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Ok well they shouldn't be calling you names I agree. I assume you reported these things. For me when I was a mod it was very difficult to make out what was going on in those American political threads. You don't see any British, European, Chinese or other political threads .... but you guys battle away about stuff and people I have never heard of (aside from Obama and Clinton) ... in fact American politics just looks like the far right arguing with the centre right to me ... you don't have any proper left wing politics anyway ... I live in a country where there is a Communist party which gets a sizable vote and runs certain cities, a Left Block which is a coalition of Trots, Marxists and Greens, a Left wing centre party a rightwing centre party and a far right nationalist party. That's real politics to me. Its no wonder USians call Obama a Communist because they haven't got the first idea what that means ... not a clue. Anyway rant over. thank you listening.
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You call it a contract ... everyone else sees it as a no insult rule with a couple of other things tagged on. I think despite criticisms that this board gets the moderation that the TBs community wants. Quite a few people want none at all. In fact at one time were you not one of them? Some people want more strict rules about content but the rest of us, and I include myself just want some light touch modding that prevents long boring ranting disputes, flame wars and a lot of swearing. That fosters an atmosphere of respect. Surely you can see how difficult it is for the mod team to step into the area of content moderation ... i.e. censorship ... preventing certain ideas from being expressed. Where would that stop? Do you want your views on practice to be controlled? So it can only happen in extremis in my view.
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The point(s) being made in that book I quoted above in reply to Alwayson are these: 1) the schisms which occurred in 'early' Buddhist schools were about divergence in monastic rules. 2) when Chinese monks visited India at this time and commented on monastic life they remarked that different monks of the same monastic rule would be practicing Hinayana and Mahayana side by side with tolerance. 3) it seemed that the minority Mahayana view at that time in ancient India was regarded as a slightly eccentric but harmless variant ... i.e. there was no major schism. 4) the difference between Hinayana and Mahayana is seen as one of motivation i.e. seeking to liberate self or seeking to liberate self and all sentient beings and not rules and so on. 5) given 4) it is perfectly possible and likely to have occurred that there could be Thervadans which hold a Mahayana view (though it would be discouraged by those institutions. 6) since the difference between Mahayana and Hinayana has nothing to do with vinaya rules which were the basis of schism it is highly unlikely that the Mahayana grew out of one of the schools that divided off. It is more likely that individuals in all schools held the Mahayana view but that it grew in popularity over time in certain places because of the changing social and political climate - to compare see the book Indian Esoteric Buddhism: A Social History of the Tantric Movement which makes a similar case for the growth of tantric Buddhism - to become a majority view in the North and a minority view in the South. 7) that the comparison made between the Hinayana and Mahayana and say Protestant and Catholic Christianity is false and unhelpful in properly understanding the history of Buddhism. There you have it.
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Maybe he wants to be inPhyn8?
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Isn't there a Wicca thing ..."if it harm none so mote it be" ... I think harmlessness is a good rule ... while not avoiding karma exactly it at least sets a better tone to the proceedings.
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This time of day I like to read a little Blake ... and I hit upon this memorable fantasy: "So the Angel said: thy phantasy has imposed upon me & thou oughtest to be ashamed. I answer'd: we impose on one another, & it is but lost time to converse with you whose works are only Analytics. Opposition is true Friendship."
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"Buddhist Thought" chapter 3 page 74. ISBN 978-0-415-57179-1
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It might be pretty basic BUT the point I was making is that this account is now disputed by some experts in the field of Buddhist studies ... OK?
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He said "Mahasamghika, or “Great Community,” was the predecessor of the Mahayana tradition" this was what I was disputing ... or rather authors I have read have disputed.
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"Do what you will ...but pay the price" was the way one of my teachers adapted the famous Crowley motto. I think it is important to recognise that karma or action-reaction works on all levels and is liable to come round and bite your backside. the only non-karma generating action would be to act through grace (or wu wei or buddha-activity). Otherwise if you do magic then you will experience repercussions. Its part of learning to do this.
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I have read that there is little evidence for this as the Mahayana split is not about vinaya disputes but about a different way in which Buddhahood is conceived.
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cool breeze from still lake trigrams form a hexagram sage says wear warm clothes.
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Of course its possible but it exists as a mod facility so sometimes its used. I don't think it should ever be permanent but it is up to the mod team to decide on a case by case basis. I understand now that I am no longer a mod that the sudden disappearance of content can be disconcerting ... if you are a mod you can still see it pinked out ... so the effect is more like highlighting ... and I think maybe there is a case for for a general explanation as to when this might happen and why. Timescales can be difficult especially now as the mod team is so small (3) i think you need about 5/6 active mods to get reasonable coverage otherwise long delays will occur.
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Sean is against editing so we didn't do it as mods. We asked the poster to change it and if they did that was fine if they didn't then a suspension ... and the post if extreme might be hidden but usually left with a comment. Sometimes moved to the Pit. for most things - because most TBs are decent people I didn't mind putting it in the Pit. But of course if its in the Pit its still on the board ... still part of TBs ... so I had a real problem with racist material which I thought should be deleted entirely ... and I see no difference between discriminating against people for race or sexuality. But the content I'm talking about here would be hate attacks and not just religious/political views because at heart I believe in freedom of expression ... I defend peoples right to post even if I violently disagree with what they are saying.
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I agree with 90% of what you are saying ... especially that its the members not the mods who are soul of the board. I think there are some issues where hatred is expressed ... like racism and homophobia where I think it is right to make a stand. I would accept that there are people whose sincerely held belief system makes them not able to accept being gay as ok ... but really its the hatred that needs to be addressed. You might I suppose hate what someone does but you should not hate the person.