Apech

Yes please it's very gooey in here. Thanks.

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I'm over here. Where are you?

I think that's an interesting question K but I can guarantee that you won't get a straight answer. From my checks MPG is right about the identity of this person and so since he is already banned for this I am going to re-ban him. So its no_more_pie_guy now.

Good question. From a quick look round I think you have to ask the Mod Team to do it. Is there a Topic Title you want changing? Just post it here and I'll do it for you.

Ok I see there is some discomfort with this mod action but please remember the following from the Mod Guidelines: I am not accusing I4L of being a racist I am saying that the content he posted is discriminatory. I confess that racism is something I personally hate. I've lived and worked in some places where there was a lot of racism in schools and society generally. One thing that supports racism is stereotypes and received attitudes about what people are like which are real barriers to people actually living along side each other and getting on. And its not about middle-class sensibilities or whatever its about real hate and violence, bullying and so on perpetrated against the 'different' minority. Its not political correctness to combat something that is so real and nasty. I suppose it was natural for people in the 19th an dearly 20th century to examine the people of the world in terms what they assumed were intrinsic differences such as skin color and so on ... but as far as I am concerned science since then has demonstrated that we are all homo sapiens and essentially the same as humans (despite cultural differences). Why anyone would want to go back to these old ways of seeing things is beyond me. This includes when we are looking at alternative views on history I don't see why race is thought important. For instance I am personally quite convinced by the idea that there was a pre-ice age civilization ... Atlantis or whatever ... but given this doesn't that mean we are all Atlanteans???? Anyway ... the thread is still here in the Pit and you can carry on with it if you wish. I have no intention of Pitting all of I4L's threads and I have always in the past defended his right to post his subject matter (in the face of quite a lot of strong requests to do otherwise).

*** Moderation Message *** I am personally uncomfortable with having a thread on TTBs which appears to support a racist theory about the development of mankind. I would prefer to delete this thread entirely but as a moderator I have to follow some rules. In the light of the request above I am going to move this thread to the Pit. Further moderation action may follow once this issue has been discussed by the moderation team. Apech for Mod Team *** Mod Message Ends ****

Root races? What are they? Why is the white man always in the middle ... and why does he have a beard? Ridiculous.

I have to admit I haven't read all this ... but do we really need archaic pictures of the 'races' of human beings? Race is not accepted as a legitimate genetic description of any actual basic differences between people. Not happy with this at all.

Wang Bi commentary on this section. The last two lines mean that because of the example set by the (bad) ruler people start to take life lightly (i.e. without proper regard and respect) and behave badly ... i.e. greedy, uncaring an violent.

Why do you want to do this? Reply by PM if you want ... we probably need Sean to do this ... but even when accounts are closed we don't usually erase them.

"An egg-shaped ring of standing stones in Australia could prove to be older than Britain's Stonehenge - and it may show that ancient Aboriginal cultures had a deep understanding of the movements of the stars. Fifty metres wide and containing more than 100 basalt boulders, the site of Wurdi Youang in Victoria was noted by European settlers two centuries ago, and charted by archaeologists in 1977, but only now is its purpose being rediscovered. It is thought the site was built by the Wadda Wurrung people - the traditional inhabitants of the area. All understanding of the rocks' significance was lost, however, when traditional language and practices were banned at the beginning of the 20th Century." BBC website

Ouch my semi-buddhist hand is slapped . Please do return and comment!

He who knows the male yet sustains the female will be a river valley for all under heaven. TTC Section 28 trans. R.J. Lynn

Fantastic! I think its always amazing to think how much the ancients in all cultures knew about the stars and the solar system. They seem to have recorded and watched the sky for huge periods of time which mean some kind of (probably oral) transmission of knowledge and a comprehension of the universe which we can only guess at. We were so wise ... shame we lost most of it. Maybe its time to return? A kind of renaissance based on regaining their spiritual knowledge?

With respect Lienshan, the historical record from the Old Kingdom in terms of artifacts is very patchy. There is no way that an obscure Dyn 4 queen 'invented' the idea even though hers may be the first chest that has been found. The Sons of Horus are an integral part of the Egyptian system which was remarkably consistent over thousands of years (although the style of expression did change of course).

Thanks Steve, I love my MacBook.

This is a very real effect to do with your interactions with the world/people and levels of assimilation. There will be emotional content to these conversations which is to do with energy stored in your being as a result of interactions. Don't identify but observe and allow the energy to be recaptured for your own benefit.

I can't find the Vortex quote - although I haven't looked that hard ... maybe he has edited it already. I hope so. I don't accept it's misogynist sounding tone.

Does this mean that 10% of men could get together with 90% of women on the basis of their star signs? Whereas the other 90% of men have to pick from the 10% left over? Perhaps I have misunderstood your point. I'm an Aquarian and misunderstand most things.

Yikes! Maybe you are right. I've never really been a Christian ... though raised in a Christian country (sort of) ... I was just thinking of sermon on the mount and the way jesus dealt with the woman 'taken in adultery' ... but its not my thing really so I will bow to your greater Biblical knowledge. I used to have a red letter bible where you can read just the words of Jesus himself ... most of what he says is 'judge not lest ye be judged' kind of stuff ... but there I go again eh?

It has always struck me as odd how those calling themselves Fundamentalist Christians love to quote the Old Testament and more or less ignore the New. Its so easy to label and condemn people instead of forgive. Jesus always seemed to find an answer to these questions which did not involve damning people but actually saved them. Often people just do what they have to do in the circumstances given.

On the last two/three lines Wang Bi adds commentary: If a tree is stiff, it will be attacked, It will be imposed on by creatures The stiff [strong] and great occupy a position below. This refers to the trunk of the tree. The soft and pliant occupy a position above. This refers to the branches.

I was taking my date from Eva Wong "Shambhala guide to Taoism" Ch. 1 Shamanic Origins (3000 - 800 BC) ... you could trace pre-Dynastic Egypt back to even earlier (by many thousands of years) ... but I was talking about when they wrote things down or attributed themselves to earlier times. I have been thinking about another eight fold arrangement of alternating gods and goddesses as found in the Canopic Jar Chest: the figures facing each other are the Sons of Horus and on the corners if you look closely you can see the protecting goddesses (the one closest is Neith). The male figures are jars containing the main organs of the body and are associated with the cardinal points. The whole forms a kind of mandala of alternating male and female energies. This pic is of Tutankhamun's Canopic Jar Chest. The Sons of Horus are sometimes related to the Pillars of Shu which in turn are sometimes called the Heh gods which originate with the Ogdoad. So maybe we have two arrangements which are the earlier primeval Ogdoad >>>> later Canopic Jar Chest ... its tempting to think Earlier and Later heaven (?).