Apech

Well, when I banned some folks I got 6 + points from members and this time when I locked a thread I got four. So I guess I felt encouraged by this. Seriously I am doing what I and the Mod Team think is best for the forum - if anyone has a constructive critique of what I am doing I am willing to listen and learn. But if you are just going to hurl insults like 'weak, cry baby and spoilt brat' then farewell and good luck. A.

Surrender! We've got you surrounded. Come out with your hands up!

*** Moderation Message **** I am locking this thread and have sent the following message to Lotus-Born. Lotus-born, I've read you post No. 12 on this thread http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/17274-grandmaster-wang-liping-intensive-april-16-25-2011/page__p__254266entry254266 and I am really disappointed that you have decided to prolong this dispute between Kathyli and DragongateNYC. I am not going to edit your post but some of your language could be read as insulting to another poster so you have the option to self-edit. I hope you will use it. I am in any case locking the thread. You also suggest that I as a moderator somehow support your case in all this. I don't. I'm not interested in your petty squabbles as they are without value and do nothing to promote the teachings of your Grandmaster ... in fact I think they would put most people off. You make much of the real identity of certain other posters on here - but we are all free to post on TTBs using a user-name. Obviously multiple posting is not ok as this is deceitful and designed to mislead the reader and/or distort the debate. However apart from that people are entitled to anonymity within the Moderation Guidelines. We cannot always trust what people say about themselves on here nor should we try to. For instance I know that your profile information is not currently correct. Please desist from this line of debate and if you will, concentrate on positive helpful subject matter. Apech for Mod Team I think I speak for most people when I say that I am sick of all this bickering and requests for apology. Enough is enough. **** Mod Message ends ****

I can move it if you want - you'll get more replies - some people don't bother with Off Topic.

Interesting. Why did you put it in off topic?

Shaktimama, I really like the term masturbatee which you coined in one of your posts. A common term of abuse in the UK is to call someone a wanker ... now there will also be wankees. I think I accept the point that whatever you do with your sexual energy is important and has consequences for yourself and others. However to equate what every adolescent and many others do to a form of rape is pushing it a little. Rape is a nasty violent crime perpetrated on both men and women. Have you ever told a real victim of rape that what has happened to them is similar or the same as what happens to our Britney when her (now aging) fans spill their beans ??? I can imagine the answer.

Stig, Just going back to the OP again. Your ocean is more like an unknowable because it will never be 'known', while unknown implies a possible known which we haven't discovered yet. As sentient beings we spend quite a lot of time on the shore of our island, living in between the known and the unknown, in the twilight if you like between our yesterday (all that we have known) and our tomorrow (that which we have yet to encounter). A shamanic journey might be a swim in that ocean where we allow the force of unknowable (the mystery) to impact on us giving us dreams of the unknown. Also I think it is important to remember that although the island is a finite space - the intricacies of form mean that it has its own kind of infinity - the infinity of complexity. If you think that your chair (for example) is a dependable given certainty... then you have forgotten that the chair is part of the mystery also ... there are no gaps in nature ... (who said that?). Hope this makes sense. A.

Without wishing to interrupt this interesting discussion - just quickly - you have to understand the relationship between the island and the ocean.

Its an evolving subject. From microbes to Mickey Rooney.

**** Mod Message **** I am locking this topic as it just seems to be going over old ground and not serving any real purpose. **** Apech for Mod Team ****

I wonder if Wayne Rooney is pre-cambrian ... if one is looking for a primitive form of life that is. Just speculating of course. Or perhaps looking at it the other way scoring a hat full of goals is evidence for intelligent design???

Yep no problem.

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Its the middle of the day and you are wasting electricity!!!!!!!!

The problem with your argument is that the observable world operates as if quantum mechanical principles are true - this has nothing to do with theory. For instance if you applied common sense based Newtonian mechanics to the behavior of an electron in a semi-conductor you wouldn't be able to design a working circuit. The fact that QM (or some of its aspects) seem counter intuitive or illogical (captain Kirk) is because it is not understood properly (by anyone I mean) ... when it is I predict it will be simple and self evident but that is probably a long way off. In the meantime as a hard-headed materialist believing in the laws of nature/physics you have to accept the reality of quantum effects - because they have been experimentally demonstrated time and time again and shown to be true - but obviously what you don't have to accept is the theory or the explanation of the 'why' - because that is not understood by anyone on the planet.

No refunds.

No Marbles you are wrong there - the one reason that quantum mechanics still exists as a working hypothesis is that it makes predictions which are verifiable in the observable world. It is its success at this which has made it such a strong theory - and allowed all sorts of technological advances possible (e.g. semi-conductors). The engineering level understanding far out strips the theoretical model ... it is the theorist who come up with the most outlandish explanations of why it is so that make us all baffled. It deals with the very small and the strange effects which occur there but it appeared in the first place to explain observable phenomena which standard Newtonian Mechanics could not predict. That's a fact - many physicists would prefer it if it were not so and avoid the heavy thinking by saying 'just do the numbers' i.e. don't think about why it should be so. It is the best working basis for understanding reality because it works ...

Why?

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Ola! Here's another one from the same lady. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btGEehMAlxw&feature=related

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Ta very much Rainbow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRPoy6P1FA0&feature=fvwrel

This is nice