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Don't know - I'm moving this to Off Topic.

vanish and return so is that you back again? maybe, maybe not.

I think sometimes our values make us think we shouldn't want or need money or material wealth or property. Actually it is healthier to think that as a cultivator the universe would benefit by allowing you enough money so that you have the time and energy to devote to practice. I'm not saying that money will fall into your lap if yu change your mind set - but it is a beginning. There are creative visualization practices for gaining the money you need. I'm not recommending them I'm just saying they are out there if you look for them.

Just for the sake of joining in the discussion here is Richard John Lynn's translation: The Dao that can be described in language is not the constant Dao; the name that can be given is not its constant name. Nameless, it is the origin of the myriad things; named, it is the mother of the myriad things. Therefore, always be without desire so as to see their subtlety. And always have desire so as to see their ends. These two emerge together but have different names. Together, we refer to them as mystery: the mystery upon mystery and gateway of all subtleties. I particularly like TianShi's challenge to say what this book is for. This is a really good point and I think the idea of a survival manual for rulers is about right (if I have understood what is being said). I think there is a tendency to kind of fall in love with the mystery in this text and forget that it is a very practical text. It is practical because it cuts straight to the heart of things by saying 'ok, what exactly are we talking about'. But even if this was written for rulers on an individual level we can say that we are all rulers of our own worlds and so the advice applies as much to us as to a king in ancient China.

I have PM'd you about this.

I like that - 'Marblebrain' ... has a nice ring to it.

I was just thinking .... on the old version of the board this appeared on the title page: I think its a great definition of this place. Anyway - maybe not a Buddhist sub-forum but I would love to go through TTC one section at a time together - probably spend 5- 20 years on Ch. 1. :)

We've had threads before where we've discussed sections/chapters - it was good I thought and its nice to focus just on Taoism without Buddhist views creeping in.

Welcome, Plenty of old fat ones here! A.

Personally I like the idea of a sub-forum but I have got one question/reservation. When we discuss Taoist philosophy on the main discussion board its kind of part of the main debate and you can get a good range of comments from all sorts of angle. If we separate it off into a sub-forum will we lose something - will it seem exclusive somehow??? Why not just post thread topics on this? Just a question what do you think?

Gobble,gobble,Mmmmm! Darling I didn't think you'd Swallow all that stuff.

Well I don't disagree with you .... of course if you ask most soldiers they won't say much that's good about war and fighting either ... I wasn't suggesting that Lao Tzu was advocating a martial outlook rather a way of being which has been informed to some degree by the experience of war and conflict (which in some historical periods was a more or less day to day thing).

I think now that you have said hello in the lobby you should be able to use the reply button. Welcome by the way.

If you take the broad term warrior which denotes a certain attitude or approach to life then I think Ch 15 is a good summation. Careful, alert, courteous and so on could be taken as the definition of a warrior way. Obviously this does not mean that they actually practiced martial arts but at the time they lived there was a lot of fighting and a lot of people who lived by the sword. Much of what human's know about themselves comes from the experience of warfare and so it is natural for anyone interested in cultivation is also interested in the wisdom that the martial arts can bring.

Horseflies in air duel Dual ass-flies in horse race Race past you horse face.

He knows, doesn't speak. Exactly what does he know? No idea, won't say.

Website with TTC in different languages - lots of translations in English. TTC website its been posted before but I thought it was worth reposting.

I am green with jealousy its bloody freezing here with snow on the way tonight.

Mill Famey walk us I had to google his name what's this baseball thing?

crayon in my ear drawing with side of my head who needs hands these days.

Yep that's what we usually do - or create a middle bridging haiku. Spiraling upward The lark sings in the wide air small voice in heaven.

Ouch!

Hey! Don't encourage him. This is the one thread where dependent origination hasn't been mentioned.

Errrr marblehead ???? respected by everyone as far as I can see.

Hello and welcome. Enjoy your stay at TTBs.