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The person who knows transmits to the person who wants to know (?) - why make it more complicated than that. What is this blind evolutionary force then? I know not of it.

I am wondering if we haven't been a little too broad in what we count in as a transmission. Or perhaps I would like to say that there are transmissions which are about communicating an aspect of the mind/reality which is beyond words - that cannot be communicated verbally. This is not even an energy transmission as such - as in the projection of qi - but the communication of a realization about the true nature of things - or perhaps you might say an awaking of the such a state in the pupil by the master on a non-verbal level. This is often followed by a long period (i.e. years) of study and practice by the pupil in order to catch up with the core experience within themselves. Everything else that has been mentioned is a transmission of a kind but I think what I have described above is of a different quality to other ones.

get wet in the rain That's easy! Why not try to ... get wet in the dry?

You've seen it before... Sorry? Could you repeat that? Deja vu again!

The sage has a purpose - which is to follow the Tao. His purpose is not human concerns - human concerns are about their own individual needs and survival. Much of what we see today is about people believing that their feelings and their comforts and desires are paramount. In some ways psychotherapy encourages this kind of thought. Also things like the cult of celebrity suggests that what is important is your own coolness or appearance. The sage has no sentimentality about these things and regards them as worthless. This is not a contradiction to being compassionate or kind - on the contrary it is kind ultimately not to be fooled by all this rubbish and to deal with people as they really are - kind, perhaps but not soft. Similarly the world does not stop from turning just because we are having trouble coping. It just keeps going - it is up to us to adapt and change, we have to accept difficulty and hardship and treat them as a learning experience. The world is ruthless in this sense. Not giving a shit ... this implies some kind of active not caring or even cruelty ... so I don't go with that ... rather I would say that the sage is beyond pleading and manipulation, unswayed by these things ... they mean nothing to him.

I have received transmissions ... and I have no problem with idea that they are instantaneous or at least not bound by the normal limits of the physical world ... the physical world has boundaries such as the speed of light because it is about particles like photons moving through space and as such is constrained to act within these limits. There is a way in which we are all connected which physics would struggle to explain - its through this that we know things have happened which we couldn't possibly know and so on - I think transmissions happen in this same 'space' which is field or continuum in which we have our being.

Thanks Vortex - I particularly enjoyed the bit about the English being the master race ... and that the whole world should be subject to the British Empire ... makes a lot of sense to me ...

Seconded ... I like the bit about the track bike and the lightness. Very good.

"I think I can safely say that nobody understands Quantum Mechanics" Richard Feynman quotes (American theoretical physicist, 1918-1988)

OK I understand what you mean but I still think you are using the term wrongly - but I don't want to lead this thread up a blind alley of discussing scientific terms.

I just wanted to know what a 'quantum level energy event' actually is. I am not doubting your knowledge of qi but I don't get what you mean by this term.

Er ... don't wish to be rude but that just sounds like pseudo-science ... what does it mean?

I think this is correct. the word 'transmission' implies that energy (or something) is sent down a channel and we receive something we didn't have before. I think this is a mistake. It is more like a resonance effect whereby the consciousness of the teacher stimulates in the pupil a recognition of their own nature. This may come across as a sudden burst of energy - but the energy is one's own nature anway its just that you have been reminded that you have it. Its the same with these qi projection demonstrations - the recipient is actualizing the energy and throwing themselves about - this is not to say it is not a real effect just that the mechanism is not like a laser beam but more like the resonance effects you get when a singer can crack a glass by singing at the resonant frequency of the glass. I think this could happen over the internet or even just by thinking about someone - physical presence is not necessary - although its probably helpful mostly. John

Well yes I suppose so ... very phenomenological ... but when you go out, drive a car, walk around, bump into things, eat, shit, talk and so on are you experiencing this as not having some reality? Life is immediately and intuitively real to us otherwise why do we get sad when someone dies and happy when we meet a knew friend? When I pick up this cup of coffee and drink it - I am not thinking (unless I make myself) this is just a phenomena with no intrinsic existence. I am just dealing with the world in a basic and practical way. No matter what our philosophy or science tells us - this is so. What this thread is about for me is that when we make spiritual changes in ourselves - like raising kundalini then things happen in our lives - sometimes 'bad' things and how are we going to deal with that - what can we make of it? Does philosophizing it out of existence really help? No ... it can give us perspective I guess but it doesn't really make it ok. yes but we all experience inner and outer ... why? especially if its not true? And how do we live or how should we live bearing all this in mind?

I am against ratings because I would rather hear the counter argument than just some kind of popularity vote. After all the least popular post might be the most correct. What does it tell us if x no. people give it the thumbs down or whatever? Not much.

Kate, What you said here made me think of the definition of interest - both in the sense of what concerns us and what we gain from something, here is the etymology: It means between-ness and is I think to do with the fact that boundaries are what inform us. The edges between things tell us about form and shape ... they are interesting. We know about ourselves because of relationships between ourselves and other things and the outside world. I agree (who am I?) that somehow our ego creates distinctions between worlds - while they might not be ultimately real they are real in every practical sense. Its more interesting to see and understand these distinctions than to just say they are illusory.

We could send a rescue party armed with super large font and caps lock.

ten years of sitting at last I get to my feet and walk like a crab.

I took that from the word itself ... con=with, scious = words meaning to know and ness= the ability or quality of that function. If you don't like that definition you could suggest your own. How else can we understand sense perception? ... as to the wavelengths that's from physics (visible light spectrum) ... it is true of course that the perception of tree does not necessarily prove the existence of a thing 'tree' because the perception could be all there is. You can talk or think about trees without them being present, there is an idea of what a tree is but is that the same as a tree? Its not a claim its just a statement about how we experience the world. Are you saying for you there is no inner and outer, no subjective and objective? That's exactly what I mean by subjective time ... I am talking about the experience of it. I am saying we experience two worlds - I am not saying this is fundamentally true.

Cat is very wise ... I agree do something - voluntary or otherwise - you'll enjoy it. John

1) Yes - I think so. 2) Not necessarily ... but they do die younger. If the window is shorter ... the curtains are cheaper (?) ... is this a haberdashery question? ... (sorry ) Is it something to do with men being more geared to peak and trough type existence???

pedestrians walk by... slowly, slowly and slowly... so pedestrian.

against the glass, full lotus on the see-through floor don't look up down there.

capturing my gaze attention grabbing mirror that's my face that is.

Vortex, are you feeling bored?