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OK fair enough - I am not a fan of any state religion used for social control. But I certainly got the impression here that some people are particularly anti-Islam and I think that maybe this has just become the new 'enemy' now that Communism has fallen. Governments and states have always set people against people by emphasising differences and I think that much of the fear/panic and 'otherness' is deliberately generated. In the UK I always go back to the difference between the way in which we dealt with the Irish 'troubles' - ie. calm, measured, designed to stop panic even when they were bombing mainland cities (including Manchester where I live) and the reaction to 9/11 and the London Bombings which has been designed to heighten tension and fear (IMO). I must admit I didn't know that there were Sunni Sufis but all the better for that. My friend was a member of the Nimatullah Sufi order for many years and I met Dr. Nurbhaksh the head of the order who was a great mystic and poet. Sufis who are not Muslim! That strikes me a strange - who are they?

Mamamia bum. Follows teachings of Abba, Then meets Waterloo.

I am stunned to find such an Islamophobic thread on TTBs - perhaps some of you could spend some time studying the historical contribution that Islam made to science, philosophy, medecine and Western culture generally. It is not just Sufi versus the rest. Why do you find it strange that devout Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia law? They probably look around at all the hate, crime, and violence that they see in our society and are quite frightened by it - as is any right minded person. OK Islam has its fair share of nutcases who just hate everyone except themselves - but that is about the shortcomings of human nature and not Islam. The problem is that culturally they (rather like the Orthodox Judaism) have become stuck in the Middle Ages - but then if you read Gampopa or other Tibetan Buddhism on sexual conduct you will see exactly the same thing. If some friend of yours has run into trouble with their parents because they became a Neo-pagan - then imagine the reaction of a hard line Christian family, or a strict Jewish family - whats the difference? PS Sufis are Shi'ite and other (most) Muslims are Sunni - the split occurred after the death of the prophet as to whether his relative Ali or the Imams inherited the spiritual tradition.

I feel moved to comment that fundamentalist Christian groups seem to preach hate - they hate gays, hate abortion, hate Islam, hate anyone who disagrees with them. They do not seem to read the New Testament - it all sounds like Old testament vengance. In fact you never hear 'love thy neighbour' or especially 'love thy enemy'. If they actually studied the words spoken by Jesus they would have to radically change their beliefs and behaviour. The Bush government confused everyone about Islam and gave a right wing fundamentalist agenda to foreign policy. Blocked European attempts at an entente with Iran and of course invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq was nothing to do with 9/11. After years of supporting Israel (right or wrong) against Palestine - is it any wonder that many Muslims feel persecuted and under pressure from the more extreme end of their culture? I am not religious in this sense and do not support any terrorism - I cannot understand how anyone could blow up both themselves and anyone else and think it the right thing to do. But lets not be naive - which is what the main message in this thread is - governments divide us and we should seek to unite.

Er ... yes ... its spont, more than spont, totally spont or not, depending on how you look at it. Again. I wish I understood that wish.

If we posit an organizational self at the highest (or most subtle) field energy level - then might it not be possible that by removing 'false ego' you can let through a capacity to deal with those disease entities. In other words rather than a negative of removing our conscious interference we are allowing our own healing. Now I know the capacity to do this would vary hugely from being to being but I just wondered if this idea fits with your thinking. I remember a homeopath that I used to know and a Chinese healer both saying the same thing - that ultimately we heal ourselves.

Thanks Neut that's interesting - I hope you will be able to write more in the future.

I was replying to the idea that there was no being(s) at all but just energy - by saying that the beings that are - are that energy. That's all. A.

Neut, Spot on with that analysis I think. Interested in how you use story telling as a practice - can you explain? Thnx. A.

Yes i liked Ursula K. Le Guin(e?) and the Dark Crystal. I never read fantasy any more - I don't know why. I think I have read LotR more times than is healthy for anyone.

Mak Tin Si, Can't you just do the FU for the Gossamer thing anyway - surely it doesn't depend on whether he is posting on here?

Ah - read the Mab years ago - it was great. I love those Celtic stories - mind you I was also into Alan Garner those days - kids get all the best books (Owl Service and so on!).

You only need to smash things you are attached to. Eat your own poo. Ha ha.

I think the symbol you saw was this: it is called 'tyet' and is known as the 'knot of Isis'. Egyptologists say it is a symbol of 'protection' which is as about as helpful as saying it is 'symbolic'. It is actually a 'yoni' symbol (to borrow from another tradition) and refers to the 'saving' nature of female sexual energy. The djed pillar is a combination of phallus and backbone (the small cross pieces near the top are vertebrae). This is to do with Osiris becoming alive = erect. People talk about the resurrection of Osiris but actually following his death he became the king of the underworld (Foremost of the Westerners - west being the land of the dead) and his wife and her sister Isis and Nephthys managed to revive him sufficiently for him to conceive Horus. he then lived on through Horus his son. Having found his body parts and assembled them Isis hovered over his corpse as a Kite (small bird of prey) and managed to induce an erection and ejaculation so she could get pregnant with Horus even though Osiris was technically dead. So you can see how powerful they regarded the inducing energy of the vagina! You can take this as to do with the interaction of male female polarities - rather than a thumbs up for necrophilia . Vortex its simply the way the Egyptians used the parts of the eye as symbols for fractions. de Lubicz had a lot of profound things to say about Egypt - but personally I stay away from his work because I find it 50% Egyptian and 50% his own ideas. Sacred geometry yes- because everything was sacred to them - but not like Euclid - the Greeks took the theory to another level IMO.

Theres the Mabinogion (sp?) - or is that the same as the four books?

sun black spectrums gleam rainbow feathers scratch the sky Walking the crow road.

Sorry where did my article go?

Yep - in mathematical papyri. Here's an example: some people relate the parts of the eye to the five senses plus thought - this makes intuitive sense but I ahve never seen an Egyptian source for this idea. And different writers do it differently. There is much in Egyptian mathematics which points to a divine interpretation - usually related to time measurement.

hawks hunting the field, rabbits should get radar or eagle air support.

I'm a left liberal - but I'm in the UK so don't worry.

The being (or beings) is/are the energy.

I didn't realize you were a Kennedy.

Very interesting. Thanks for this Karen. I have noticed that if say, I have a bad headache and I sit in meditation the the most effective way of getting rid of the headache is not to focus on the symptom at all. Rather as when you might try to still thoughts by focusing on them - they get more active because the attention energizes them. So if I remove my attention from the headache and then from my body and focus completely on say, my breathing. Then a healing process seems to kick in - because somehow I have removed my conscious self from the process. I can then 'let' the healing occur. I take this to be that the causes are 'deeper' than the symptoms. I know this is a simple example but I think the general principle could be applied to more serious conditions.

NeutralW, I don't know a lot about Stoicism but it sounds interesting. Its Zeno isn't it? How did he relate to Socrates and Plato. I got into the metaphysics of Plato watching Pierre Grimes on youtube: Open mind it gave me some faith in how the 'orthodox' Western tradition has held some true transmission from the Classical world - but has been 'got at' by academics who have reduced Plato particularly to a state of extreme dullness.

This is a tachyon that I know of: Tachyon in wiki so I guess they don't mean this - but then what do they mean? orgone generators are different I think as Reich had a specific way of storing life force (yes/no?) PS just read the links posted above and still no clearer how the inventor knows that what he is doing had anything to with tachyons. BTW I am not sceptical about subtle organising energy fields - its just that I can't see where tachyons come in.