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I recall RON JEREMY (in caps) ... but my earliest memory is reading a post by Drew Hempel which was so tangential to the thread topic that I posted a 'eh?' or 'wtf?' and Yoda answered saying I shouldn't expect Drew to stick to the subject. Some things never change. I recall Stigweard (who became a bit weird), Yoda - the nicest guy in the universe, Mal, Cat and a lot of KAP and Kunlun stuff in those days. I guess even those who are no longer around have added to the Tulpa.
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Someone dredged up a thread from 2006 today and reading the first few posts reminded me what TDBs used to be like - like a naive child experimenting with things, it made me think how the tone of this place has changed over the years. Its been wild at times and like a dysfunctional family but now maybe a bit more mature and thoughtful, slightly less obsessive. As an organism somehow it has the capacity to learn. God knows I've tried to walk away a few times. But I keep coming back. There isn't anywhere - anyone (?) else like TDBs.
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Mindfulness and meditation can worsen depression and anxiety
Apech posted a topic in General Discussion
"They found that about 8 per cent people who try meditation experience an unwanted effect. “People have experienced anything from an increase in anxiety up to panic attacks,” says Farias. They also found instances of psychosis or thoughts of suicide. The figure of 8 per cent may be an underestimate, as many studies of meditation record only serious negative effects or don’t record them at all, says Farias. Katie Sparks, a chartered psychologist and a member of the British Psychological Society, says the figure could have been pushed up by people trying out meditation because of undiagnosed anxiety or depression. “Meditation has been found to help people to relax and refocus and help them both mentally and physically,” she says. But sometimes when people are trying to still their thoughts, the mind can “rebel”, she says. “It’s like a backlash to the attempt to control the mind, and this results in an episode of anxiety or depression,” she says." https://www.newscientist.com/article/2251840-mindfulness-and-meditation-can-worsen-depression-and-anxiety/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1597411724 -
There's something in even basic recognition or cognition which does not depend on serial thought at least. Just as say, when you walk through the park you recognise a dog as a dog without running through an inventory of what constitutes a dog. In fact if you ever try to construct an inventory of what anything actually is, a chair, a table or whatever you run into serious problems quite quickly. And yet you easily see and recognise all those things and indeed ideas without trying. This must come from consciousness itself. While the nature of consciousness may be non conceptual, it is not a product of object based or imagined perception - that does not mean that it is, how would you say, blank. It is more that it is illuminated or illustrated by all concepts. If you came to be self-aware as consciousness then you would 'know thyself' without being bound by any particular form or name but at the same time not be an anonymous nothing.
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I would say thought is secondary to consciousness - but as I said in another thread it is a mistake to assume that there is only one type of thought. Some thinking, imaginative, does create while other thoughts are object oriented (and could be said to comment but i think they do a bit more than that). Knowing is more about recognising something.
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The way I think about this is - for motion you need at minimum one point moving relative to another, so you need two frames of reference. Some motion is purely translational (continuous in one direction) but nearly all actual motion is rotational, something is moving around or spinning around another 'thing'. I'm guessing this is 'vritti' like whirlpools in the mind. I think emotions (e-motions, energy motions) are their own category, while feelings are sentience itself, an emotion mixes sentience with energy to give a kind of mixing, a kind of inner tension which feelings do not necessarily have. I think emotions are movements arising from the subject/object division - they carry with them thoughts and they carry energy, I guess heat and light would be a good analogy. I see them more as driven by the tension of separation as a seeking of balance gone wrong if you see what I mean. Obviously a specific thought can trigger emotion if there is a stored potential of energy relating to that form. Like imaging someone you love or hate - but the cause of the emotional stirring is the energy locked in memory of previous experience of pleasure/pain. ?