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Oh gosh... these days a 10-minute steep of calendula with a dash of acacia honey in it. Yourself? NeutralWire

Wow, how should member number 31,065 greet member number 8? You must've seen a few of us come and go... NeutralWire

Very cool, look forward to hearing more sometime. NeutralWire

Karen is this 'Heilkunst'? And do you know of a man named Rudi Verspoor? I heard interesting things about those people, positive things. NeutralWire.

Oh I totally love the baroque extravagance of the full thing -- it's just you left out the actual 'Paracelsus' bit, which usually goes after 'Bombastus'. Without that bit, some people might not have been able to make the connection. NeutralWire

... aka Paracelsus. NeutralWire

Can I add a name to this discussion? Bardon. FACT 1: Bardon's practice comes from a completely different direction -- it has energy work but not energy work where you move the energy through the body, just out of and into the body. FACT 2: In his online correspondence, Rawn Clark is asked: does Bardon's system raise kundalini? His reply -- you don't "raise kundalini", it rises of its own accord when the moment comes. CONCLUSION: Bardon's practice at Step IV (of 10 steps) begins to raise kundalini just like the Nan practice, by still sitting. But obviously the practice is very different from Nan! In particular note the enormous emphasis upon elemental balance in the personality. FACT 1: The elements, which have to be balanced equally, are also linked to the astral senses. FACT 2: In 'Tao and Longevity' Nan specifically states that not everyone develops every astral sense, and some even develop only one. CONCLUSION: You can go a long way in Nan's system (equivalent of Bardon Step VII) and still be elementally unbalanced. This is because there is no work in Zen apart from still sitting which bypasses the personality. Either your personality must be naturally balanced with no work, or else you will not go all the way. You need something apart from still sitting. Note in 'Tao and Longevity' how, if the chi makes difficulties in the chest it's just -- 'see a doctor'. Never any suspicion that chi makes difficulty in your chest because of the way you live, your personality in the heart area. In Nan's system the human personality is ignored. You have to work on the personality. There are many ways apart from the sketchy ones Bardon provided, and as long as you keep elemental balance as your goal you will succeed. Also: Bardon is compatible with most qigong I have tried, and the qigong does help with Bardon (because of grounding). So does zazen and so does seminal retention. On 'Nirva-Kalpa-Samadhi': FACT 1: Bardon states absolutely specifically that a 4-letter harmony of Kabbalah is equivalent to Nirva-Kalpa-Samadhi or perfect harmonic awareness of microcosm and macrocosm. FACT 2: Rawn confirms this is 'very much the case' quote. CONCLUSION: You can achieve this in a completely different manner with Bardon and you are attaining alot more besides. Rawn Clark has achieved it. Guys I reckon Bardon has the measure of us all. I know there will be lots of griping from the back, he is Western, lots of people don't get on with this practice. I'm just saying: the stuff is in there. Look at Step IV, harmony of the 4 elements, and realize, this is doing what Nan's zazen is doing, but in a manner whereby you can also use those energies for infinitely more than just that. When you talk about 'still sitting vs. cycling energy' don't forget there are more options, and one of them is published: Bardon. It is proven to work and it operates on different principles getting equivalent results. And you can do it alongside just about anything else if you are skillful. NeutralWire