Dreamingawake

that doesn't change the fact that whatever they were putting in the 'heparin' they were selling was killing people. they're far from being the only company that cant be trusted either. bayer made a compound called factor 8 to treat children with sickle-cell anemia that was contaminated with aids among other diseases. their documents showed that they knew each dose was a death sentence so they sold it over in france knowingly murdering hundreds of children to make a buck. factor 8 was made from components we all manufacture in our own blood too, well, minus the aids... that didn't stop those children from dying

google is your friend. 1) baxter (the vaccine manufacturer) is an entirely corrupt company which knowingly sells deadly products (heparin for instance). 2)there have been several surveys taken around the world in which more than half the doctors in these countries (i remember hong kong and england for sure) stated they would refuse the vaccine for fear of the products safety. 3)it has not even been properly tested yet the us gov is actually trying make the vaccine mandatory. 4)even if there were an outbreak of "swine flu", h1n1 is far less potent than standard rhino flu.

haven't had time to read through the whole thread yet, maybe tomorrow. the bottom line for me is I normally don't get sick even in close proximity to sick people but stick me with a flu shot and I'll be laid out in bed for a week. now I tell the military I'm allergic to eggs so they don't stick me sooner or later their gonna want to stick me with other vaccines to keep me "up to date" though, so ill have to cross that road when i get to it I'll tell you one thing though, the first person to come near me with a needle full of h1n1 or anthrax will get a trip to the ER for their troubles

very interesting practice. i must admit it feels a little strange trying to generate emotion in my toes are you supposed to keep track of your breath while going through the five emotions or just at the beginning? trying to vividly recall a sensation/situation while still keeping count seems quit cumbersome.

edit: I just couldn't resist

so would half/full lotus be acceptable? I usually sit full lotus for around 40 min anyway and i'm much more comfortable in half lotus than plain indian style.

ditto I'm not familiar with this posture either. anybody out there in bumland willing to clarify? thanks in advance

Emotion is an effect, not a cause. I took a step back and watched my thoughts and emotions. After a while I began to realize how many of my negative emotions were caused by imperfect perceptions. Then I took a deeper look at those perceptions and once those were corrected, there was no need for those emotions any more. Now it is nearly impossible to anger or offend me because from where I'm standing, you just don't have that much power.

i heard about david on the radio the other day but they said his hands were tied behind his back. did anybody else hear this too?

yep thats kind of a funny story. i bought them but before i got a chance to really try them out, i got sent to afghanistan where i had LOTS of money to burn so i just bought another set. so now i have two sets sitting in my training room =P I thought they were pretty interesting but i've tried so many things they kind of got lost in the mix. my current practice takes up plenty of time and i usually have so little time to begin with that i usually dont even try playing with some of my older toys. given what i understand about zhan zhuang where it applies here; i suspect that if your ready for them and you use them properly, they should be really helpful in more than a few ways.

I tried that course back when i was stationed in okinawa and had some money to burn. I was pretty surprised actually. It was (until then) the strongest sensation of qi i had ever felt. I still have the magnets and occasionally use them for zhan zhuang if i cant go outside. (i live on the second floor).

thats an interesting site but it does seem to have quite a bit of mis-information. they actually try to say silverstien never gave the order to demolish WTC7 by taking the word 'pull' completely out of the context in which it was used. i guess they're relying on people having not actually watched the video. In any case we seem to have followed very similar paths to completely different conclusions. I once believed there was no way the government would do something like this but those pesky facts kept getting in the way. I also stand in the same place as you on the opposite side of the debate. The 'facts' and 'hard science' you link to looks like propaganda, misinformation and bunk science to me but i'm still fine with you posting it. It's fine with me if you want to believe something different than me or any one else. It's just really bad form to demand someone else shut up just because they dont believe the same as you. thats really the only reason i let myself get pulled into this debate again. Zensunni Wanderer your argument basically boils down to 'you dont have all the answers so you must be wrong.' it just doesn't work that way. truthers dont claim to have all the answers; they just want the truth. how do you think a christian would react if you said 'you dont know what happened to jesus during those missing years so your god doesnt exist'? does that argument even make sense? you cant logically interject your own version of 'truth' irregardless of any facts just because all the answers arent known. thats not to say people dont try all the time, its just a fallacy of logic.

well your half right. I do see a group of people ignoring anything that disagrees with what they've already decided. they're also trying to shut up anyone who actually wants to look at the facts. the only argument i've EVER heard is 'this was already debunked' sometimes followed up with a link to some debunking site filled with bad science, no science or pure prooganda that has already been disproved by common sense, hard facts and actual science. Funny how the 'truthers' never try to shut any one up for disagreeing...

actually you do need explosives. there are several instances of planes crashing into other buildings of similar age and make causing more damage and hotter flames that burned for much longer but those buildings still stand. In fact 911 is supposedly the first instance in the history of steel structures of any building collapsing from this kind of damage. It would be much easier to believe if the building had been made of cardboard but alas, no such luck. The official stories of how the buildings managed to fall perfectly straight down into there own shadows is the epitome of bad science. This also leaves out thermate, squibs, and pools of molten metal thousands of degrees hotter than jet fuel burns found weeks after the explosions. Plus even though the government still claims it was structural fires, silverstein (who owned the building) admitted on national television that WTC7 was a demolition. BTW he still got paid the insurance on it as a terrorist act

A quick search of the forum reveals topics about zeitgeist (a very political movie), a short youtube clip about being a slave of the government, a thread asking what people think about fuzzyfandom (wtf?), Chinese vegetarian cooking, a thread about a really old bible (codex gigus) and other topics that have nothing to do with the subjects you've just listed. But those are open to discussion with no hostility. You dont want this moved because its off topic you want it moved because it posits an idea your uncomfortable with. I dont think you would like someone trying to stop you from speaking just because they disagreed with you so why do you do it to other people? Aren't you smart enough to discuss ideas or argue points? Or if you just cant be bothered to put forth that much effort why not just ignore it? why do you have to go so far as to censor someone when they say something you dont like? As contrivedname said, what doesn't pertain to the dao?

yeah not to pick a fight but one of the very FIRST and LARGEST 911 truth groups to call for an independent investigation was actually a coalition of 911 victim's family members. To imply that the very people who started asking questions are somehow hurt by other people asking the same questions amounts to a retarded emotional ploy with no factual backing. I understand that lots of people want to deny things they find painful. Hell I've talked to people who swear the holocaust never happened. Personally I think both tragedies are pretty obvious but I'm not gonna bash, belittle or otherwise insult you any more than I would them. If your that emotionally hell-bent on bashing people just because they dont believe what you do then maybe you should do some serious soul-searching. A little quiet contemplation never hurt anybody right?

****** So here's my disclaimer. While writing this it occurred to me that this particular post may actually step on a lot of people's toes. I don't intend to hurt anyone's feelings or start any arguments. This is just what I have been taught and it has borne itself out in my own experience. That being said, I'm probably not gonna feel too bad about it either so if anyone wants to lob a grenade my way I wont take it personally ****** I have been taught that the answer is both. It has to be created. Most people who think they have a dantien are just delusional. The place where it would be is a 'junction' of sorts and its not hard to get sensation there. Hell it usually feels like a pretty solid lump there anytime I concentrate on the area. Sometimes it even burns but that doesn't mean I have a DanTien. Saying everybody has a DT is like saying everybody has Yang Shen or Golden Dragon Body or Kundalini or whatever else. The DT is not some magic source of infinite energy that your born with, it's a specific achievement/stage in specific schools. The term seems to get thrown around A LOT though and it seems that other schools/methods have appropriated the name to refer to phenomena that may seem similar but is in reality completely different. (i.e. 'i feel energy collecting below my naval and it feels solid and full. yay! I have filled my DT ') The bottom line is that sensation IS NOT achievement. Sensation is sensation. People can make all kinds of claims and even sincerely believe themselves because of vivid experiences but that doesn't make it real. Creating the DT is a big deal. Your not just gonna do two or three weeks of meditation and '!poof!' you have a full DT.

cool no big deal I was just curious my understanding is still limited so I have to ask

just curious, do you have electric-like qi, pyrokinesis, and other abilities of pak john or you just mean same effect for filling dan tien? I wouldn't say 'same' effect though. I hear mo-pai can take a year or more to fill dantien so much shorter time-line

I just saw a news clip the other day where the head of the fed (can't remember his name right now) was being questioned about the bailout and he said in no uncertain terms that since they were a private entity, completely separate from the gov't, no one in gov't had the authority to question or override their decisions regarding bailout money. basically, "we're above the law so quit bothering us." as for taxes, those books by Otto Skinner will tell you everything you could possibly want to know about taxes straight from the mouth of the supreme court and they're very straight forward and easy to understand too. thunder mind, very interesting post. where did you learn all this? are you able to reproduce his methods?

I've been active security forces (the closest thing the chair force will probably ever have to a grunt) for 6+ years and now im in the guard to pay for school. No contradiction or conflict there. There were a number of prominent Daoist generals and warlords in the past and if you read kosta's books (not that i consider them wholly trustworthy sources of information) theres a story in there about a master who went around killing warlords and wot not. The whole pacifist thing is totally over rated. violence can be just as useful as peace if it's used properly. the trick is knowing when to use which and why. im with wayfarer on this one. Buddhism and Daoism are very different in some ways. An easily relevant difference might be that if you attacked a Buddhist (not counting shaolin here) he might very well take the beating but if you tried that with a Daoist he might just stomp a hole in you so you remember not to attack strangers. granted, i assume it's much easier to see whether its better to evade one attacker or beat another when one is close to dharma/dao/truth/realization/whatever... If your out in the middle of nowhere (read pick-a-stan) or anywhere else really I would say try to avoid being in a situation where it's necessary to hurt other people but, if it comes down to you or them, send flowers. this is just my view though, and im still learning so try not to take it too seriously.

just some parts of the video. the graveyard standing was interesting but I wont be trying it anytime soon. I've had enough trouble with spirits without chasing them down

I dont suppose anyone cashed the video? i clicked on the link but its been removed Edit: never mind I found it Not the same WLP

I remember someone translated most of the video on another forum some time ago. I cant remember all the details and I'm way to lazy to try finding it somewhere out there in cyberspace but heres the gist of it. the source of the burning is a spirit which is summoned by via the mantra. he controls it with a kind of visualization he said for martial application, he can burn any target regardless of distance so long as he can hold a vivid mental image so he usually requires a picture. the tech really wears him out but he stresses that the power isn't his and doesn't use his own energy it used to be only taught within a certain family but he was taught in return for doing some good deed for the family (i think he saved the sons life or something) he says the tech is relatively easy to learn since it's not your own power but that in the beginning is does require a vegetarian diet. (later you can eat meat again) thats all i can remember off the top of my head, hope it helps and yes, i think he's legit