CarsonZi

"The second insight into the Second Noble Truth is: 'Desire should be let go of.' This is how letting go comes into our practice. You have an insight that desire should be let go of, but that insight is not a desire to let go of anything. If you are not very wise and are not really reflecting in your mind, you tend to follow the 'I want to get rid of, I want to let go of all my desires' -- but this is just another desire. However, you can reflect upon it; you can see the desire to get rid of, the desire to become or the desire for sense pleasure. By understanding these three kinds of desire, you can let them go." Taken from here: http://www.buddhanet.net/cmdsg/truths3.htm Love, Carson

Thanks Inedible.

Thank you Vajrasattva..... I will tune in for sure. 11-11:30 in which time zone? Love, Carson

Hi Vajrasattva and thank you for being so generous with your time and energy..... When you say "tune in", is there any specific way you recommend doing so in order to gain the maximum benefits? Do I need to tune in to "you" in particular or is just sitting in silence at the specified time sufficient? Thank you for any clarifications. Love, Carson

Hi Neptune..... I had put you on ignore as you had asked me to in private email, but as it so has it, I am able to click a link on every post you make which allows me to see individual posts of yours if I so desire. I happened to click that link and read this post addressed to me, so I assume you would like me to unignore you now since you are still posting messages to me? Please just let me know either way and I will be happy to oblige you. I personally am not one to run away from discussion, but if you don't like discussing things with me due to the fact that I practice AYP and you aren't allowed on their forums anymore, well then, that is ok with me too.......I can continue to keep you on ignore. Just let me know either way. OK Carson. I guess we are somehow destined to cross swords on the ground floor of TaoBums lobby. Not destined. I can keep you on ignore and we can never speak again if this is your choosing. But it's your choice, I am impartial either way. We are duelling over doctrinal differences, about your AYP, my brother. AYP isn't "mine" and we aren't dueling over doctrinal differences. I haven't even spoken of any doctrines nor have you! What we have been discussing is forum policy, in particular AYP's forum policies. Which I didn't set, I just choose to abide by them while at that forum now. I too have had a bazillion posts rejected, but I have slowly come to see why each one was rejected. Almost all of them were rejected due to violating the no-politics policies of the AYP forum. They don't have an "Off-Topic" area like the Tao Bums and the Moderators are firm on that. I now understand why. The AYP forums are in general extremely civil. It is not always so on other not so tightly moderated forums. AYP is also always practice oriented. There is no discussion of chemtrails and Iran this or that, etc etc. which seem to actually piss off a lot of the old time Tao Bums members. AYP forums are dedicated to discussing AYP practices first off, and then other yoga and spiritual practices second. And that is a VERY distant second. If all you choose to talk about on the AYP forums is "other spiritual practices" (other then AYP practices that is) and then continue to tell other people who DO practice AYP that the AYP system doesn't work, it will not take long for Yogani and his moderating team to decide that you are not welcome there anymore. You were at the forums long enough, you remember David Obsidian right? Intelligent guy, great posts. Look in the member list at AYP. You won't see his name on there same as you won't see a Neptune/x.j./John C. member either. I assume this means he too was asked to leave the forums. You are not the first one and I doubt you will be the last. We are perhaps much alike though we may never see eye to eye. You seem a lot like I am yes. Or at least a lot like I was before I decided to stop choosing unhappiness by continuing to fight reality. Maybe we see a reflection of ourselves in each others words, and haven't come to rest in acceptance of that part of us that remains unassimilated into a sense of self love. As I said before Neptune....we are one. You can choose to accept this or not, that is your choice. But this is the reality. We are one. And I love you. It's a little ironic that I have come to this virtual place, the Tao Bums Lobby, looking for like minded yogis, and have only encountered you instead, The only reason I responded to you in your lobby post (which I rarely do here at TTB because I do not feel like a long-standing enough member and because I am not a knowledgable Taoist and this is a Tao forum) was because it was titled "locked out of AYP" and in your original post you stated that: I was wondering if other AYP contributors also write in to this website as well and maybe would like to know about this situation I am an AYP contributer as well as a TTB contributer. I thought it was appropriate that I respond as there are probably only 10-15 of us total here at TTB that are in the same position. Again I will be happy to leave you to yourself if you desire. the apparent self appointed defender of Yogani's website and program, I am not defending the site merely pointing out it's policies and how you likely violated them. I will definitely defend the results the program has manifested in my life but I will never try to push AYP on anyone (I will try to inform those who seem interested in it that it exists though) as there are as many paths as there are people. I will not try to dictate to you what your path is. the place where I was not welcome to speak out. The AYP forums are for supporting practitioners of the AYP system. When you tell other people at the AYP forums that AYP doesn't work, you will likely be asked to leave. It may not work for you but it sure as hell works for me and for many others as well. If you don't like the system, then don't use it, but for God's sake, don't infringe upon other people rights to try the system without your biases already stuck in their minds! So I came here, and here you are too, of all places. Like I said, we are One so there is no escaping me. And by "me" I don't mean "Carson". I mean that wherever you go there will be someone like me, someone who rubs you the wrong way.....until you learn to accept that we are all One. And learn to love those that rub you raw. I love you Neptune, even though you do not like me. God speed to you my friend. I wish you well on your way home as well my Brother. Great love to you Carson, in all of your young endeavors, and may destiny deal you the hand of cards that will be the most useful in this very life time of yours, How could it be any other way......Life will hand me exactly what I need at any given time. Not what I want, but what I need. And I guess what I needed right now was to learn to accept that Neptune doesn't like talking with me. Lesson learned. I wish you the best in all your "old" endeavors. I remain your older brother young Carson, however distant our differences set us apart. Well, I don't know how old you are, so you may be my older (in years) Brother, but time is not linear, so there really is no age now is there. We remain Brothers no matter the distance and no matter your differences with me. I'm certain we will keep in touch the way things seem to be going in our relationship. Only if you want to my friend. I can go back to putting you on ignore if you wish. Love, Carson

Haha.....Yes I sit at a computer for work. And my job allows for the time to peruse several forums. So, not all day no....but for 8 hours a day yes. If you want to discuss something in particular, such as: then I suggest you either utilize the search engine, or start a new thread. That was what I meant by "right here...now". As for wishing you had left me at AYP, well, we are one, so I guess there is no escape. Hahahahahaha. (that's my evil laugh in case you didn't catch that) In all seriousness though, I can put you on my ignore list so I don't see and therefor respond to anything you post if you like. Or you can do the same I guess. Good luck. Yikes. Love, Carson

Right here....now.

Hahahaha....You'de be surprised at how attractive (lots of money [oil] here so a lot of attractive women are here to snag a "rich one". This can create some highly attractive human specimens ) and how "sexually liberal" the women are here (this has to do with the amount of alcohol consumed on a regular basis. We are a "hick" city after all)....YEEHAWWWW, hahahahaha Love, Carson

As many have said, the answer to this question will be different for everyone....but personally I have had to do MUCH inquiry on this topic. Everything happens for a reason.....and we are all living our own realities. If your reality requires a sadhana of some kind, then that is your reality. Other people do not have this reality. At least not yet (wink heavily emphasized, haha) .... I am personally married to a woman who for the first 3 or so years of our relationship had no desire (or need) for any spiritual practices whatsoever. This really bothered me at first because I was deeply involved in my own daily practices and I was learning fast. Regardless, I chose to marry her even though she had no spiritual aspirations and I have an absolute need for liberation in this lifetime...very opposite spiritual goals. She had/has a great attitude towards my sadhana though, letting it be what it is to me, and not being upset with the amount of time I spend doing asanas, pranayam, meditation, inquiry and reading/writing, knowing that jivankukti is of the utmost importance to me. And she can see the obvious benefits of my practices as well.....watching me get clean from methadone in 10 weeks (without withdrawals) as well as seeing me rid myself of a 16 year chronic marijuana addiction. Not to mention the complete attitude change, going from being angry at all existance 24/7, to being absolutely unable to be provoked into any negative response now. But even after all these changes she still had no desire to start a practice for herself. This caused me to inquire deeply into how important it is for life partners to have common spiritual goals. I have come to this conclusion: We are all on our own individual paths. And everything happens for a reason. You are where you are right now because there is a lesson to learn here. For me, the lesson I needed to learn in being married to someone with no spiritual ambitions was to learn to love my wife regardless of anything. It took me a while to learn this lesson but now that I have, she has started a daily sadhana of her own. It is not the same "style" of sadhana I have but that doesn't matter. She has her own path and her own lessons to learn as do I. I hope my experience can be of some use in this discussion. Namaste. Love, Carson

Mr. Neptune..... Well, you can consider at least one AYPer informed then. Every forum has it's policies and guidelines and they are not all the same. Just last month I myself was kicked off of two "kundlini-support" forums. One was for being a "know-it-all" as their forum policy stated "no know-it-alls". What a "know-it-all" was was never defined. My know-it-all statement that got me thrown off was simply that perhaps the bloating a certain fellow was experiencing after eating was the beginning of the nectar cycle (with the combined sexual essences[sperm], food and air in the stomach). The other forum I was kicked off of after starting a thread on kechari and being told by everyone that it was a dangerous practice and then after linking to the AYP lesson saying that this lesson was where I learned the practice I was banned with a note saying I was a "Spammer". SO.....I'm just trying to show that each forum has it's own policies that they enforce. Some are more stringent then others. TTB is VERY lenient IMO. AYP is not as lenient. From my understanding Yogani has a SPECIFIC goal for his forum. That is to give as much support as possible to the people who are practicing his system. I am one of those people. His system works for me. It came at a time when I was "ripe" for it. If it doesn't resonate with you, then take what does and move on. Simple. But if it doesn't resonate with you, perhaps the AYP forum isn't the place for you to be a member? Why would you be there anyways if his system doesn't work for you? Were you trying to convince other members that AYP doesn't work? If that is the case then I'm not surprised you got banned. If that's the case I'm surprised you weren't banned a lot earlier then you were. I don't know if there are a lot of AYPers who get banned, but it doesn't really matter. By your own admission the AYP system doesn't resonate with you. The "i am" mantra is too "pale" for you. That's cool. Use the Gayatri mantra then. But don't come to the AYP forum and post that the AYP system doesn't work and others will have better luck elsewhere and expect that Yogani will let you stay for long. If it was my forum/system and you did that I wouldn't let you stay either. Just some food for thought. Love, Mr. Carson

Hi Neptune.... I don't know anything about why you were "kicked off" the AYP forum, but I think it should be noted that the AYP forums do not exist for the purpose of discussing "yoga" practices. There are many other forums for this. The AYP forums are for people who practice the AYP system and who have questions, concerns or experiences to share in regards to their AYP practices. There IS a section for "Other Spiritual Practices", but the main focus of the AYP forums is to support those who are actually practicing the AYP system. Perhaps you were beginning to detract from the focus of the forum? Just a thought. Love, Carson P.S. I'm sure if you gave it some time and then approached Yogani with a bit of a "different" attitude I bet you would be given a second chance. I can't say for sure, but he is a reasonable person so I can't see why not.

Namaste Chris.... a wonderul post thank you. You are very right. We can't know. But as medic himself says, "don't throw pearls before the swine". Not calling you "swine" medic, just saying that I tried, and there was nothing but resistance. We can't learn things for others, we can't change others, hell, we can barely even influence others. So I gave it my best shot, and medic and others can take what resonates and leave the rest. I don't think that medic is totally "dogmatic", but I do believe he is indoctrinated. I would hazazrd a guess that medic has been raised Christian from birth. It is hard to break free of doctrinization that starts in infancy. I know this from personal experience. So I don't blame you medic, I just hope that one day you will be able to take a step back from and look at things from a "wider" perspective. And be a little more open to possibilities you never thought possible. Like the fact that from a "wider" perpective there is no "right or wrong". There is karmic consequences for our actions, but nothing is right or wrong. Everything just Is. Hahahaha.....Thanks for the laugh...even though it hurts to laugh cause I have a broken rib. Love, Carson

Hi medic..... Sorry but I meant it when I said I won't debate the origins of the Bible with a professed Christian. It is an arguement that is not worth having with you. Sorry. PLEASE show me where I said Jesus was a realized Taoist! I NEVER (and would never) say this. I don't think/believe this so I wouldn't say it. Nor would I infer this. You are reading things into what I am saying that are not actually indicated by me. And you are a HISTORY major? Haha....man, this conversation is getting less and less worth partaking in. Can I get another round of cyclical arguements over here please? Woohoo! No offence meant Brother, it's just there is obviously no point in me continuing this discussion with you. There is no "discussion" going on. You must have like zero humility to say stuff like this. To actually think that you understand the Tao takes some serious arrogance IMO. Again no offence meant. Absolutely. I am not an individual, I do not have free will, and good and evil do not exist! Realization at last? If only it were that simple my friend. I live in a state of "Active Surrender" but that does not mean I am enlightened. I think you are a little confused. Love, Carson

Hi medic.... This statement is why I said I won't debate with you over the historic validity of the Holy Bible. You can't debate with people who live by Blind Faith. I've tried and all that is accomplished is frustration. For both parties. Good luck. Love, Carson

I think that if you really hate your job as much as you seem to...you should get a new job. Sorry if I'm stating the obvious here. Love, Carson

Namaste Medic..... Quite frankly it doesn't matter WHAT you believe. But FWIW I do know what your concept of "God" is, since you align yourself with "Christianity". I was brought up from an infant to the age of 12 to be a Christian and I bought into it hook line and sinker. But at the age of 12 I started to see the flaws in the religion and all the similarities between Christianity and all the other religions so I began to do serious research and starting trying different spiritual practices seeing what resonated with me. But just so we can be clear on what we are discussing, how about you define "God" according to your view for me. Then we can directly discuss your concept of God. And Tao SHOULD remind you of Christ! They are one and the same. Just not in the way you think. Maybe you are! Maybe I am too though. Really doesn't mean anything. Enlightenment is just another concept that needs to be dropped. I'm sorry medic, but I will not debate the origins of the Bible with a professed Christian. I have been down that road a hundred too many times with Christian family and friends. People who call themselves Christians are not open to any evidence that shows the corruption involved in the compilation of the "Holy Bible". Too much blind faith. There is no possibility for dialectic conversation with someone who has blind faith. Likewise don't take everything written in the Bible literally. It is not meant to be read literally. And I didn't take anything out of context. And what he meant by "me" was "the inner guru". The Christ within, not the Christ without....the inner silent awareness that underlies all. And exactly how do YOU "follow Jesus"? You mean you follow his EXAMPLE? Obviously you aren't foll0wing his example in finding your own religion like He did. Jesus didn't call himself a Christian. And he didn't follow the writings of any book....you should follow him in his example. Find your own way. Take what works and leave the rest. Love, Carson editted for spelling

Hi medic..... We (humans) made "God" in our image not the other way around. God is not external. God is internal. Luke 17:21 - Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. "if you don't accept him as God".....you mean if I don't accept your CONCEPT of God...... God is everything and nothing. God is the energy that enlivens all. God is within every atom of existence. As above so below. Macrocosm in the microcosm. But the journey never ends my friend. We are not at the finish line for there is no finish line. I can't be. Take everything I say with a grain of salt. Sift it for Truth and leave the rest. Do that with everything. INCLUDING Christianity, Tao and any other religion. I don't claim to come from any lineage, or in any "name". But there is no such thing as failure. Failure is another concept that keeps you from being the divine light you are. Absolutely. And your definition of "the Lord" is not the end all be all of definitions. I do love the "Lord". But I consider God/Source/Love/Tao "The Lord" not just Jesus Christ. Jesus was a manifestation of "The Lord" on Earth. But there have been many such manifestations of God on Earth and Jesus was no better nor any worse then the others. They were what they needed to be in order for us to be where we are today. Good and Evil are concepts you are attached to. The enlightened do not see things in terms of good and bad. Both must be fully embraced before there can be no discrimination and no attachment. The point is to Realize your True Nature. What may seem "bad" to one may be what is necessary for another to reach Realization. Absolutely not! Haha. You sure seem to know everything about everyone! Are you sure YOU aren't enlightened? Love, Carson

Namaste Medic..... The difference is that one comes from a place of inner silence and the other comes from a place of ego. In order to use "judgement as discernment" you must have a basis in/core of inner silence (Yogani describes this a "relational self-inquiry"). In order to have that basis in inner silence some culitivation and meditation is necessary. Straight "devotional/bhakti yoga" (basically this is what I see Christianity as) will work for some, but it is a long ardous road that many become lazy and complacent on I think. So one must be cut from just the right cloth to reach Realization in this way. For most it is much easier to approach Realization through practices. Things you can actually DO. Singing worship songs, reading the Bible and praying will take some all the way, but very few IMO. There are much more effecient ways to Realization out in the open now. ???? In your first sentence you said "There is a difference between....." but now you say "they are not in contradiction?" Is THAT not a contradiction? Can you ever "understand" anything? Is there not ALWAYS more to learn? I don't think you understand nearly as much as you think you do. No offence. Everyone is different and there may be reasons why someone needs to use masturbation as a chi release. Personally I have had to release my seed a couple times in the past month or so simply because the internal energies were raging strong and I was having problems being "normal" in everyday life due to this. I spent many hours grounding by walking/running/taking Jujitsu and MMA classes/eating heavy foods etc recently, but the only thing that helped me get back to "level ground" again was to release my seed during sex with my wife. Before this month I had gone several months without ejaculation. This is one of my cultivation practices....to transmute my sexual energy into divine energy. But on occasion there can be excessive energy buildup and the best wway to stabalize is to realease some ejaculate. You can't know everyone's situations, so you can't say what is right and wrong for them. In fact right and wrong don't even exist. What Is, is, and everything happens for a reason. All things work together for good. Even the stuff you think is "bad/wrong". Love, Carson

Both. Love, Carson

Sitting in silence. Love, Carson P.S. I really do mean "Love, Carson "

Namaste Friends, Yesterday I went for my second Esoteric Acupuncture treatment. First I am going to explain what happened due to the first treatment, then I will explain what happened in yesterdays treatment and ask for suggestions. In my first treatment I went in with no expectations, no physical difficulties, and I basically gave the acupunturist free reign to do what she felt I needed. After a brief time chatting about where I am in my journey, she had me lie on the table and she "scanned" my system for blockages or issues or whatever. She said that my anahatta chakra was not properly balanced and was not spinning correctly. She put a 4 needle pyramid above the chakra on my back and told me to breath in and out a bright white light from inside the pyramid. She left me to continue this exercise for the rest of the session. When it was done I felt really wierd. The only word I could use to describe it at the time was "tense". I felt this tension in varying degrees for four more days after the treatment. On the fourth day during meditation I felt the tension release. The was a major opening and caused some kundalini symptoms I had not had before. The two weeks following that first treatment were intense. Much changed in me, much changed in my circumstances and much changed in my future. I also learned some hard lessons in these two weeks, but they were assimilated well and I felt balanced going into my second treatment. The second treatment was beautiful. I explained to the acupunturist all that had happened in the past two weeks, and the opening I had had. A few days earlier I had actually come to the realization that I could then put words to what had specifically happened due to the first treatment. I now know that the first treatment pulled a lot of tension and emotional baggage from areas they were held in my physical, and subtle bodies and brought them all to a spot in the solar plexus of my subtle body. This was the tension I felt for four days after the initial treatment. Ever since the treatment I have had a much greater ability to "feel" my subtle body and focus on areas within it. What I have noticed because of this, is that I have (since forever as far as I know) been storing negative emotions and karma in my right shoulder and my right hip. I always thought the lack of mobility and flexibility in these two joints was cause by previous sports injuries but I know now that this is not the case. I told the acupuncturist about these two areas and she clued me in to some things I had not really considered before. She told me that the right side of the body is the Yang side and the left side of the body is the Yin side. The yang side corrosponds to the masculine energies and the Yin side corrosponds to the feminine energies. She started putting needles in at this point, starting with my right ear, 1 in the right shoulder spot, 1 in the right hip spot and 1 in the lung spot. (I still have a low lung pulse she said probably due to past years of heavy pot smoking). Then she put one in the Vishuddha chakra. Then one on either side of the spine in the anahatta chakra, and one in the middle of the chakra. She then put one needle in my root chakra right at the base of the coccyx. The next needle really through me for a loop. She put one in the back of my skull in the middle of the chakra just below the bump on the back of the skull. As soon as this needle was in the needle in the coccyx started vibrating intensely hard. I could literally feel the kundalini energy racing from the tailbone to the needle in the back of my head and the pushing foreward to my third eye. I felt the feeling I have had before of there being a "tunnel" from the third eye to the back of the head with wind blowing through the tunnel. This lasted for as long as the needles were in place. Next she put a needle in a spot in my right shoulder. She prodded around for the right spot, finding a small lump deep inside the muscle. She asked if pushing on it hurt, which it didn't. She told me she was going to put a needle in the "bulb". I said "What?" Why would you stick a needle into a bone? She said, "this isn't a bone, this is a tense muscle". I couldn't believe it. The spot she had located was so tight, I thought is was either a bone or a piece of cartilidge or a calcium deposit or something. She assured me it was just a tense muscle. So she put a needle into this spot. This instantly made the right side of my body very actuely palapable. I felt what felt like all my muscle tense up just on the right side of my body. It felt like my hand was closed in a tight fist, yet I knew it wasn't. It made me start to literally vibrate and shake fairly badly. We both assumed this was an obstuction leaving mysystem. The shaking went away after about 5 minutes. She then asked me how I felt and I told her....I felt like the two sides of my body were acutely seperated. Like my spine was the division between the two halves and there was no joining point. She asked me to describe how each of the sides felt. The left side felt cool, and calm, smooth and centered. Flexible and free. The right side felt hot, tense, chaotic, angry etc etc. She explained to me about the yin and yang sides of the body and how she thought it was very interesting how I chose to be born at this time of spiritual transition, but chose to be born in a male body. She said that the majority of spiritual seekers are women and that she found it intriguing that I am in a male body having such feminine energy. She said that I am very much in touch with my feminine side, the soul side, and that I have some issues with my masculinity. I had never really thought about this idea in depth before, though I must admit that thoughts of "I act more like a girl then a boy sometimes" had crossed my mind in the past. (although I blocked them out quite quickly for fear that I may find out I am gay or something, [this is a difficult lifestyle that I would prefer not to live personally]). We talked more about my past, and she had me try to visualize a bridge between the two halves of my body. Once we were done, she put a few "seeds" in my ear spots for me to press randomly throughout the next week or so, and I got dressed feeling absolutely elated. I felt like I floated out of her office and all the way home. Anyways, what I am wondering about is how to go about balancing these two sides of my body. What can I do to become more "in touch" with my masculinity. I have a big problem with male ego, and masculinity, because I feel most guys are so stupid and so "testosteroney" that I want nothing to do with typical Male stuff. What are some exercises that I can do in order to get back in touch with my male energies? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Sorry this is so long. Love, Carson

Hello again medic.... I know that your experience with Christ is real....so is my experience with the Divine. I am not trying to belittle your experience in any way. All I am saying is that what you are calling "Christ" is just a concept you are attached to. It is not the only Truth. And Jesus is not the only "Christ" Noone can make you happy. Happiness comes from within. Happiness comes when you stop fighting with reality and learn to enjoy life as it Is. I can speak this Truth from personal experience. And by the way, Perfect/Perfection is just another concept that is holding you back from being That. Haha. Sorry but this is funny to me. Salvation is another concept used to keep you in seperation from the Divine. You are your own salvation. You are the only one who can save yourself. What is, is. And everyone is where they need to be right NOW in order to eventually realize their True Nature. There are no "wise" "average" or "foolish".....we are all what we are, and labelling is counterproductive to realization. Let go of the labels and just abide in the Tao/Source/Love/God. Words do no justice to describing Tao. What Is is. That's it that's all. Practice dilgently and all will be realized. Love, Carson

Namaste Medic..... You can't know how I see things. I don't see the world as a complete illusion. What Is, is. That's it. I don't try to make it be anything it is not. I choose not to fight with reality. You can't know this either. This is your belief. All ideas and beliefs must be tossed before you can truly Know. Although, I do understand what you are trying to get at here. Yes, ego/personal experience exists. It isn't who we ARE, but it exists. And I don't believe in THE Christ. I believe in Jesus, I believe he was Realized and I believe he preached Truth. But I don't think very many people are capable of understanding what that Truth really is though. Too much literal interpretation and misrepresentation. If Jesus were in the flesh today he would be ripping apart the Church from the inside IMO. Also the Bible can be read in MANY different ways. And if you know anything about how the Bible came into it's current state of being you will know that there was too much human control involved for it to be THE divine doctrine. There are great Truths inside the Bible, but few who can actually understand what these are IMO. No sorry I am not very familiar with the HK movement. I disagree 100%. We are all anointed ones. We are all brothers and sisters of Christ. We are all One. Savior of what? Savior FROM what? Jesus' story is not an original. There were MANY "Christs" who went through the exact same procedure Jesus supposedly did, LONG before Jesus was on Earth. The story of the crucifixtion and the resurrection was around long before Jesus' time. He is the most recent one, but not the first by any means. Do a little research and you will see this is true. You sure make a lot of assumptions! You will only know any of this to be Truth once you have personal experience with it. That is the only way you will Know. Right now all you are doing is reiterating someone else words. Doesn't mean anything unless there is personal experience involved. No offence. I am the same. I find many deep truths in Christianity, but there are tons of flaws I see as well. It's the same with ANY organized religion. Spirituality is individual and there are as many paths as there are practitioners. And no two paths will be identical...what works for one will not necessarily work for another. Love, Carson

Jesus is not the only "Christ". Love, Carson

Wonderful Jenn.... I hope the book helps. Love, Carson