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I took a look at the videos. I felt like my energy raised when watching the videos. It seems that you mightve really stumbled upon something here... It was the one where the guy hits the fire logs. Or it could be something else i havnt meditated in a week. Since it almost seems too good to be true, Ill ask for my wifes opinion. (shes good at tuning into this type of thing.) Only questions I have is does it cover any of the disciplines inherent to the daoist system which are not necessarily martial arts related? I also saw his left wrist though, pistiform damage huh? from breaking? That is my only concern, and if I didnt notice that, someone else would... highly preventable

I wish to bring this thread back, without people having something to prove and twice as much so.

LOL!!!! Well its kind of like paranoia for lack of a better word way back when. This is something that happened 10 years ago when I thought I could learn chikung on my own haha.

EDIT: I felt the situation was serious.

It seems that most people dont even know how to select a teacher that is good, let alone know what is good or bad for training. You can intuit things, but as has been proven on this path if you do not know of the methods before hand, or for that matter know what a bowling ball is before you pick up the impressions of it intuitively... You wouldnt know how to interpret a bowling ball, if you didnt know what one was before. I helped spear head a lot of study of this when dealing with magic and intuition on other forums. For the most part, this aspect of Chi Kung training takes a while to learn even with a teacher. On your own, perhaps longer... And visualization is not it. It is actually FEELING the energy. Even at that if you did know these perception type meditations, you still would have to deal with illusions that pop up that distort your reality, i.e. how you percieve things. Even higher level chikung teachers like the Medical ChiKung people who are trained and certified say 'It is unethical to train someone in ChiKung of any kind without close supervision.' That has always seemed to be the rule rather than the exception, regardless of what people may think. A good example is an illusion pops up in your mind that energy is flowing a different way in your body than it actually is. This is called an illusion, because most people have not been taught how to properly feel the energy they make misteaks, usually bad.

The liver is the mother of the heart hence in five elements wood increases fire.

I had something to contribute but withdrew from pursuing it...

wow. i want to burst forth in song and sing fish-heads fish heads rolly polly fish heads... wELCOME TO THE FORUM!

actually I can answer your question plain and simple. Dragons represent the liver spirit or hun... they comprise three spirits, one exists at each dantien. The dragon always chases the golden pearl because this is the end all of the training. If the body dies, taoist perform the "gathering the hun ritual" to prepare the spirit body in the other world. Or not, then its complicated. If the body does not die and the golden pearl and the hun gain awareness of the ability that exists to "dimensionally transport" matter into void and back, then the training is completely successful and the body survives death through this method or so we are told that we should believe. This unfortunately ressurects the whole 'eternal life' concept which means many different things to different people. Sorry to say that when treading on this ground I tend to fall back on the words of Edgar Cayce who realized both concepts of wanting to go back to the spirit world and the ability to acquire limitless earthly life. He noted that the later group was more ambitious, the former group tends to be more fatalistic in outlook though in some ways triggers certain amounts of spiritual growth in some areas. Although neither view is truely wrong in its pursuit, it is noted that these concepts have been going on with man since time began, and have become a part of everyones life, regardless of who has acquired what. p.s. forgot to add that the pearl is the golden embryo that is seated in the lower dantien. the paihui point on the top of the head is the exit point, at that upon exit it must be surrounded by a bubble of white light. This is high level training and cannot be surmised even by these words you must acquire a keen feeling of energy and sensory awareness that is unlike anything found in chikung. p.p.s. I had to add that the heart is a regulator and mixer of the heaven and earth energies therefore hence the dragon(liver hun or lighter spirits) and phoenix(heart/regulator/mixer)... there are also similar tones with the yin hare and yang raven on the taoist priest's robes.

This is nothing compared to the damage done by PCBs in the first half of the 20th century (from ink!). Who even knows or could prove the chemtrail thing.

ha ha ha ha! Thats great im glad to hear you passed it. But seriously I hope people realize the balance between thinking and feeling when it comes to spirituality on this subject. It explains why for the most part there are more powerful women adepts/psychics than there are men. ha ha

I can see where this is heading with everyone. To ignore the other side is not good either In the article presented it also verifies that non-urban groups are more resiliant than urban groups. This is due to a number of factors, including contaminants, and the 60hz powerline i make reference to at the below link. http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=104244 It is quite possible she may have 'gifts' also however, but can we say the same of ourselves? Are we living out in the sticks? Unfortunately you can attempt chikung, and training without a master like I did. But once you meat a real master/teacher it allows you to progress more than you could before. That was my experience. I did have some minor things I learned myself, however looking back on it I realize how rediculous it was to self-train. I give an example here in this post, and it is important, otherwise you can do something you might regret: http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=104651 Generally, some teachers do have strict views, but Bruce Lee held the same ideas that you had to follow a path in order to realize "nothingness" or "void" which was the foundation of his martial art he created. Later he realized his error in trying to teach that from the start. Stigweard barely touches on this concept in the below post when comparing ancient and modern teachers. http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showto...&hl=teacher The fact remains that no one can introduce you to path(s) (I say plural because there are many correct paths) like a teacher/master can. Without it, where do you know where others have been and misteaks they have easily made? Then there were some energy problems that had to be corrected by visiting a five-element acupuncturist... So is it really worth it? NO. If you want to do damage to your body and only progress a little, be my guest. There are no well known masters who were not trained. You can be gifted, but if you dont have someone to guide you, you cannot progress. Yeah there are teachers who dont have certification to be avoided, bad teachers and such, but for those starting they need it ( a real teacher that is). I mean really the things someone found by themselves later after investigation happened based upon things they originally learned. At that, how do you learn the daoist bubble of white light meditation? If you havnt learned how to do this properly or had somone to inspect it for constistency throughout, how do you expect to progress? And if you havnt learned it or been initiated into the base teachings, what can you say? You will still feel like you are missing something like I did when someone mentioned this years ago. I had never heard of it.

This kind of takes me back... in time a bit in many ways. Speaking from personal experience having "abilities" and then trying it a few times has given me some ideas of what this stuff does. Yes, these are the results of marajuana use, yes the stats are in: 1. More Right Brain thinking- you feel things more, rather than think about them except for "thinkers" some of these will not see an effect. Over time, it impedes the function of the analytical Left Brain. This is the conclusion the ancient Daoists came up with. 2. More connection to energy, you can feel the energy more, can move more (since you can feel it ala "feelers") 3. Relaxation. People on pot score just a few points higher on tests even sat(s) or act(s). This is due to free movement of energy with this substance. 4. Increased Awareness - pot makes things fun for most people because it inhibits the "monkey mind" and increases activity in the brain in centers that deal with feeling and sensation which are directly connected with spirituality, energy work et cetera. 5. Higher sperm count 6. Since there are higher concentrations of compounds with pot and the smoke is held in for longer periods of time to be effective, lung capacity goes down as much as 10% in the first month. After that no other tests have been shown what percentage or fraction of a percent it goes down each month consecutively after that. So increase in lung capacity? no. Its already been medically documented. Downsides? Downsides? Yes, Im getting there. To tell you about the downsides we go back in time to the ancient Daoists known as the shamanic Wu... The Daoist found this plant had those abilities and from time to time would burn a great portion under a tent like structure, with many present. They also found that it creates certain conditions in the body, just like any other food or herb you take in tips the balance of the elements. This creates a condition they called "mind devils" which is a condition relating to the kidneys, heart and brain. It deals with the problem mentioned in #1, where you dont have any control over what state you are in and become stuck in this state. The results range to different things for different people meaning paranoid, fragmented consciousness, et cetera. The Daoists later advocated "adepthood" that is training over taking in pot for sublimation/enlightenment. Self control is better than well.. "minddevils". References: Also another source of information on the real effects of Marajuana are in the Docu-Comedy "SuperHigh Me", be warned however the second half of the movie isnt as funny as the first half. Very informational. Any information I provide here is information, not ment to be sensational and only for information purposes only. I do not condone smoking illegal substances. Due to the lack of facutal information out there, I hope this helps some people's curiosity on the subject, and gives the true nature of the plant rather than just hype.

I agree. Sometimes I myself limit myself by how I see things. But essentially all we really are doing are formulating conclusions based upon experience. Yes some traditions do not keep that openness to learning new things or expanding horizons. However each tradition seems to in most aspects do a good job of explaining part of an aspect of a given experience in some ways better than another. However there are shortcuts that exist... Like lets say fortune telling without a tool, you can do it based upon feeling, which is difficult to explain on such short notice. In short this illustrates that sometimes the illusion of a big lengthy ritual can be cut through by realizing that something already exists, we just have to connect with it and develop the connections to know its there... Which is actually harder for people to understand than the perspective of cultivation. Neither is wrong, it is still making those connections good and solid.

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I just came up with an idea... If some of us write emails to cloud forest and ask they post an overview of what will be covered for their 160k course, maybe they will? Really, no one goes to the grocery store and buys unlabled cans, based upon price rather than content to eat do they? I mean check out the daoistmagic.com website the books have subjects that are covered... is that not just commonsense or horsesense?

lol! funny I wasnt condoning killing of course, everything has its appointed time. Even War like in the Gita. So although I agree killing has its place, I am sure there is not a person here that agrees that righteous action is more important. I was merely expanding upon the passionate nature of the sith, and how they through attachment and forced detachment through ritualistic destruction of things they like weather it be their favorite lightsaber and such played a part in their passionate nature of what seemsed to be closley resembling shamanic ecstacy. I am sure human kind will continue to argue the ethics of killing even when it comes to human beings on into the future, however the fact remains that weather we die or not we still come back to learn things we cannot in the spirit world. A persons level and cultivation is not determined by their goodness, it depends upon their vibration level and the purity of their "form" within "formlessness". Meaning reduction of energy blockages. It is well known that even evil daoist still consort with benevolent beings without hinderance. Merely a fact, not a path I have chosen to take.

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very good. Perhaps you would like this forum also: http://www.fivearts.net Covers a lot of the same principles you expressed only applied to different oracles and sciences developed in the taoist systems.

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A lot of people dont know and go into lengthy descriptions of what yin is and what yang is... Essentially it is the concept that there is balance between the extremes. people think of terms of light dark, wet dry, devil god... It is the concept that there are always inbetween things and energy, it is an anti-duality of these concepts so that people dont see things as extremes like the human mind easily percieves things. You see we all have the god part, and we all have the physical nature that weigh us down. When man finally realizes this concept he will be at peace with himself and his (as well as others) actions. There are many applications of the this yin yang symbol, however this is the original concept in a nutshell

Curious how the conversation went please?

I agree entirely. Course then again governments have been hurting people in various ways for years. Even though I am not christian i quote king solomon 'man dominates man to his injury'. Simple terms, rule by one or a few always creates hardship for the many. That is the eventuality and unfortunate truth of all nations who acquire Sovereignty. In this case the cause and the solution are way to deep to cure by ordinary means.

Yeh a little different terminology but good stuff. course then again the terminology thing happens quite a bit when it comes to thins kind of thing. I call it all time is now or center of time... but then again words are well.. just words I see it more of like a layer of holes of perception between reality and the mind where the level of the mind is close to the layer of the soul. But i over analyse sometimes. not necessarily a good thing.

You teach? The qi men dun jia was right... maybe there really is a jade emperor (god)!! Originally it said a help was comming. I might not be able to go in March but let me check my finances again...