TheWhiteRabbit

Taoism/Daoism - It is an existential "religion". Meaning that it is based upon what man learns from nature and natural concepts. That is what the Tao Te Ching is also about. People took information they experienced and used it in their lives. From philosophical concepts to the non-mundane and religious concepts. What Daoism comes from is not only Buddhism, but has its origins in Hinduism of Vedic and Pre-Vedic times. Mantras or "passwords" in the religious and non-mundane aspects were used along with other rituals that have a beginning in Yajna. Some Buddhists and Daoists ascribe magic to "The Gods" there are many temples to which one can go and obtain seals used in particular religious or non-mundane rites. Some of these are written in a non-human language usually attributed to beings that are of non-terrestrial origin, (gods, aliens - whats the difference?) In a purely mundane sense you have aspects of geomancy known as "Feng Shui" in its various forms. In the highest mundane metaphysical practice you encounter "Qi Men Dun Jia" where you can calculate the direction and time and distance to travel that will bring you friendship, money, healing or if you choose the wrong one, death. Differences between the religions: Christianity is Deity centered, its teaching are based upon spiritual teaching from a deity. Buddhism is primarily prophet/teacher based, teachings are based upon writings from holy people that worked. Daoism is also teacher based. Hinduism is for the most part teacher based with some deity attributed writings. Vedic and Pre-Vedic was all Deity based writings, with some "colleges" that taught practices. Tantra is difficult to sort out as Deities are a center piece, yet masters have methods taught. Philosophy is an important aspect of all of them, yet all religions have their emphasis on Virtue (De) like Daoism. It is emphasised in many religions that the correct way should be mastered first. This eliminates issues with being to sloppy, animalistic or negligent later. In that aspect, which is a core of many religions and philosophies... To forget this aspect is to lose the whole thing. Atainments can not be had without the philosophical or religious practices. Attainments cannot be reached without Virtue which is learned through philosophical or religious writings. In short: Without a deity or teacher there is no religion. Without religion there is no Virtue, Attainment or Understanding. Without Virtue there is no long standing attainment. This means you may gain understanding or non-mundane abilities but will lose them. With no understanding or practical application there is no point. Philosophies and teachings come from religious and spiritual paths. If man wakes up one day and decides to do away with any aspects of these, the information and practices will be lost for all time. Until another comes along to reignite the fire of Yajna and continue things as they have continued from the world's beginning until now. I agree, Ism is a prison. Sometimes when it comes to religion I feel that yes, religion is very important. Yet, at the very same time which seems like a strange contradiction: I also feel that the practices that one does currently, one should keep secret. Messages from Deities... No. Messages from a guide... Yes, I keep those secret. Personal life... Yes, even in day to day encounters it is better to keep the activities of one's life secret. People are strange jealous creatures and become enraged over strange and bizarre things even the strange need of some to feel superior to another. I have seen it and understand its effects in the past on my life, yet would never do such to another human except to teach such people that such is pointless. I have learned very well that in the grand scheme of things trying to seem the best at something has nothing to do with spiritual attainment. It only matters what you can say to help a people in the present moment in a meaningful way with your understanding, beyond that what you accomplish yourself. I believe christians term something "Showy display of one's means of life." This was used originally to talk about wealth and rubbing it in people's faces. If we rub something very personal that we are working on, meaning the inner-workings of something, it can also backfire on us. To another extent what we do and what we accomplish sometimes is not always hidden. We see some turning of emotional-mental gears from time to time when people find out what we really are. I think the key to any spiritual life is really keeping as much hidden as possible. When we come out and try to say "we know this and this"... It always backfires. The response that has grown in recent years as the result of depression and people becoming more animal and "Limbic" is a term called "Cognitive Dissonance". The comedian George Carlin used it, scientists use it. It stems from a multitude of failures and rather than picking themselves back up they ride it out because they have been rewarded by this cynical behaviour (The poor me and sour grapes mechanisms). This leads to the greater disbelief in religion and miracles as well as non-mundane things. It may also have to do with for some people living in large cities which also leads to depression. In a nutshell, our modern life we live in is very anti-spiritual. As we start living in ways that makes us more like cattle, religion, spirituality and philosophy disappears. I realize I have talked this point into the ground. Let me not speak of it again.

I wonder how he is doing. We do not often hear now of them. Wish Kyle and others would come back. I haven't heard from them, Mal, Stigwierd... The old backbone of the forum. I look forward to the day they will all return.

Here is a good question and it seems to have been touched upon a bit already. Is not unplugging kind of what many countries are starting to do now? What is the difference between a Nationalistic perspective that a person can do things in and of themselves (in a way) vs. being dependent upon a failing system (Old Empire ways that lead to a united totalitarian government)? I envision a future using Graphene coated pitted silicon wafers as a form of harvesting ionic energy as the energy never runs out unless you apply a charge directly to them (try to charge them). Magnetic generator-alternators can be used to supplement this energy and given a suspended setup, where the wheel is repelled on its side by powerful magnets reduces friction many times. In this way the wheel is kept in place by magnets, magnets turn the wheel-pole-alternator. I imagine in any distant future scenario bartering would eventually be necessary and social and networking skills would be very important. As above, so below. The beginning is the end and so on. Eventually, people might just be less dependent upon energy. If we realize we all had what we really needed anyway, light, soil, water... Eventually we realize how silly it is that we wanted all the things that people try to get or covet now. I mean if you realized that you could just go dig that potato out of the ground and go fishing for that fish and have a meal in less than a couple of hours... How silly does it seem spending so much extra energy for something you buy in a store that does not somehow taste just as good. Crazy is it not?

It is hard to not see how the many different things tend to come together and create vast complex ecosystems of interaction. I have some interesting insights. Lets say Eli, you for example become something big. Lets use string theory for this. Lets say the normal person only has access to just a few dimensions of understanding with of course the same amount of bias. On the other hand you, Eli, have at least ten more dimensions of understanding each with more complexity than average because to use these requires some serious skills. You have in a sense become x10 larger in a sense and through those connections if maintained (this is an example where things are simplified) you are also those connections by extension. Either way, you must come up with a way to maintain those connections or devolve. In a sense navigating life has become much like moving very large vehicles. If you operate a semi, the space shuttle or any large vehicle, pre-planning takes place. You have to look ahead and plan for any obstacles. What I have not said is that it requires setting your self up for success. For a spiritual person, I inqure, does not being very spiritual require setting ones self up for success? When I think of the rudimentary aspects of bias, I am reminded that often especially in recent years the gratification given to people has often been limbic. Limbic system gratification means that most things were not challenged the way they were normally. The Limbic system is responsive to instant gratification. This is the brain center dealt with when it comes to addiction. No judgement and environments free of criticism abounded. Challenges were lacking. Could we say that not wanting our world view challenged is a Limbic system issue? Often enough I have seen specific simple terms were an antagonistic factor for many reactions to parts of the political race. Listen carefully. People were talking about how they felt. Did we see anyone talking about how they knew that a candidates plan was going to set many things up for success over the next decade? Did we see people saying... ____ is evil? Yes. There is no mistake. Could we learn a lot about this from any point of perspective we analyze it from? Yes. Additionally, we could also ask, how did people respond to candidates in the past elections since 1980? Are there differences? If there are, what are they? Whys can only be answered when we consider peoples sources of propaganda conditioning and the methods used from areas of: Schools, Media, Popular television programming, Means of interactions as they changed over time. Peer pressure is also a vital factor as in the recent election people rebelled against certain pressures. If you could boil down the circumstances of the election into a decoction it would be precisely fear. Because people fear having their freedoms and rights taken away even if these are founded on fact or not. Treating America like cattle and making the laws or yoke upon them heavier by instituting more laws that supposedly less burden all the cattle... Does this sound like a sound and fair means of running a country to you? Yet, that is exactly what happened and I do not think people realized why this created that fear because it is difficult for people to comprehend how things that are supposed to be good and help people actually ended up hurting or alarming them. Could people who are too passionate about their bias possibly see? As we saw much through the political race it was all about how it felt and Limbic responses. So, naturally planning and setting down an important strategy would naturally be seen as evil, right?

Please keep in mind I actually tried to study and follow many spiritual paths this lifetime. So, I tend to compartmentalize each one. None of what I consider of each one was ever a choice to negate or bias against either one. In fact I have done so with a view to not impuning any improper thoughts as much as I could possible from each one. I did not seek to learn or use pranahayama techniques this lifetime, albeit because it conflicted with Stillness-Movement. Naturally, I donot concede that that pranahyama is a wrong path, just that it was a nitche that I did not take. I did study bandhas, but this was early on and subsequently they fell into disuse. I do not know everything, so naturally I would have to say that even some things I have learned I did not strictly adhere to. This is something I mean to rectify eventually if mainly for the fact that I have realized a person must cultivate "right amount of virtue". I do not hold others to that seemingly strict sense of order, but is part now of my understanding of spirituallty. When I got started in Hinduism I primary sought out siddhis. This was an unconscious oversight of what is generally taught in scripture. Most of scripture tries to point the right way and focuses mostly on right action and virtues. Eventually, I realized for the most part things I did not comprehend would affect my life. These are namely that the people in one's life and the things you do and aree involved in are pretty much one big alliance of sorts. This eventually made me tryto correct this issue and leads me to where I am now. Another important aspect of my life was yes, I did achieve someminor siddhis in life. However this leads in some way to the first question I had which I answered myself. That is that if one achieves siddhis one must eventually keep it to one's self. If a person should talk about them, it results in the following: People question whether or not one really has achieved siddhis of a practice. This results in the following circumstances: One either is left to trying to confirm it, or give meager token confirmation (which I had done in the past) or simply not provide an answer. Either one of these is ridiculous and even if it is proven, often only in person it leads to the following which I have questions about. This is what I have the most questions about. If one achieves siddhis or special powers and other people know about it then you have students. I had always stressed in the past not only knowing the information but understanding it. As full understanding only sees to lead to achievement. I do not understand why that is. Now I realize too that correct virtue is needed as well. The balance between Awareness, Knowledge and Virtue must be somehow the same. I do not know why that is. If someone has and idea, please feel free to add your comments on that. Additionally, my experiences with teaching often was with people who very rarely wanted to really learn. The majority of people were very unbalanced and for the most part had addictions of some kind. Which I tried to help them understand that the limbic system is very sensitive and that it would harm their progress. Either way there were a few people who did manage to learn. This was before I stressed correct virtue, which brings me to the next stunning part. After teaching people who learned, I had impacts upon my life. Namely, that I began to forget important things. I lost some abilities until recently regaining them. This brings me to some serious questions about this situation. Is it that I simply taught skills that I lost some of the back then? Is it because they did not cultivate the "right amount of virtue" that it had this impact? Or is it that these things belong to someone or some thing? Either way this caused me to change my way of doing things In fact the last years since Stillness-Movement I slowed down and stopped trying to teach this kind of thing. Am I right to only point people in the right direction? This seems to be what ancient texts are all about. I imagine not all skills are like this. In fact when I sought out siddhas originally it was not for selfish purposes of any specific kind, it was because I did it because I was told it was virtuous. My parents told me that it was part of my development. So, that is why if anyone has experience in this subject, it would be a good question for them. It would help other people to understand that aspect of it. Stillness-Movement tended to balance me out. Given, I know the level of virtue I follow now is probably more than what most people have stressed. Most of what i know now is not a reflection of one practice or teaching. Edit: Edited an unconscious reflection upon people who performed siddhis called siddhas, this must have been a casualty of focus upon what people has accomplished before. Where it read siddhas, it should have read siddis.

Yes, the point of my focus was on what people has accomplished before. Which were the people who performed them. So, I edited my post to reflect that. Yes, siddhis is the correct term rather than a person (siddha).

Jesus can recind any vow. Question was answered by Jesus himself. Hallelujah

I found this one today by accident:

So, going to take some time to use my skills to make some predictions besides what Trump will actually accomplish. Monsanto will take excessive heat over then next few years. It is uncertain if it will be carved up and sold in pieces. However, the destruction from plant estrogen and GMOs in foods will reach world recognition and be a part of this. It is uncertain if Monsanto will exist or not. Watch groups that were a part of the regime that pushed fear in speaking out against left-extremists will undergo legistlation against them. This will put an end for a while to widespread manipulation of minors to indulge in this type of self-defeating thinking. The president after Trump may be liberal if it is allowed to happen will encourage and create laws for even greater obscene things causing even more depression in society. Many good people will probably commit suicide more than during Obama's presidency... http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/suicide-in-the-age-of-obama/ That should never be allowed to happen. People need to realize what creates balance and stability in society. We need to create unity by working together. Not by doing what Obama has done. America has strengthened this position by siding against evil this election. Lets hope this is a trend that continues for years to come. If not, say hello to the tolerance of much abnormal psychology. The children are already confused enough and exploited of their childhood empathy to accept strange things already. If you want the children of this country more confused and more messed up, by all means disregard what I say. But if you do understand this... At least consider what tearing down how humans have been for thousands of years personally affects everyone. We are really responsible for one another even if we like it or not.

The spiritual effects are bad. Tearing down results in a communist society where spiritual knowledge does not thrive.

I began meditation today after my normal practice. Today I tried to get intouch with the spirit I communicated with before in 2008. A person this time of lean appearence and of oriental heiritage appeared, and he had a crown of golden feathers with a cabochron of some fire red stone in the center as the center stone of the crown. His skin was indigo, a type of blue as i had seen before and some of his garments were gold. This time his lips were bright red, which was different from the previous encounter (to which I inquired later in the encounter.) he whirled like a dhervish into being much like a tornadic representation of some of my pakuachang flourishes of martial arts prowess. I started to ask him a question. What happened next shocked me beyond all belief. He said "Time to show you who I am". He grabbed my spirit and we took a trip up, up and out of the earth's atmosphere... We kept going farther up, out... At some point I felt like i was being ripped from my body. Then it happened. We left the solar system, the milky way... Entered some weird tunnel and things turned to liquid silver as though everything was liquid silver... out... Past a few nebula... Through another tunnel where everything turned to liquid silver again... Out, normal again and into another tunnel.. Then out again into an orange red sky and a golden lotus suspended in nothing.. I said "are we here?" We entered one more small tunnel and everything turned to silver one last time. Out... It was black at first. I think he could sense that all of the traveling made me feel somewhat uneasy. A sun or a star appeared and I saw a giant golden tree with green leaves all twisted like a bristlecone pine but with much more foliage. He spun the tree and the star around a few times until I had shone a sense of peace and we both perched on the tree. I asked him, why the red lipstick? He wiped his lips and then said, "It was a test, to see if you passed." "Because you have been held back from accomplishing a great majority of things until this point. Now that you know the true nature of everything and have gone beyond all the obstacles that have been designed to hold you back. Now you know that the true reality is that some seek truth. Others only enjoy meager existence in deceptions. One of the only things left for you to understand, besides what you have come to know within the least few years is this: That women are given to deception and lies, that is their nature because they are weak." I became greatly disturbed at this realizing that he spoke the truth as well. "So, then we must simply accept the lies and support them from a firm position of truth." "You have learned well. That is why you have been held back from achieving great things and recieving recognition until now. You are being sent back to Earth as the emissary of truth. You will shine light into all of the dark places of the world. It is your job now to re-write planet Earth as a planet of Truth once more." At this point I fell to the ground and put my forehead on the ground and began to cry. "Do not ask me to do this. I have suffered enough already. It is unimaginable the things I had to do to get myself back to where I was before. Do you know what they do to people who speak truth now? It is considered a hate crime." I looked up. Then he said, "That may not be true now. It is all the things that have stopped you before that will not exist anymore. For it is I that stood in your way, holding you back until now." Then he changed form, one second he was Zeus, another second he was One-eyed Odin and back to his form. "I am Indra, king of the Gods and you are great, that is why your name is great and will ever be great. That is why your name is Grant. Now step forward, I will return all of your knowledge to you." At this point he stretched out his hand and a look of absolute anger came up into his face as his fingers spread out. For a moment I was uncertain what he was about to do... Then his face softened and he changed his hand and took his thumb and touched a point between my third eye and directly above my right eye. I saw pages and pages of sanskrit enter my mind... Explanations on coiled thought, concepts that I was never even aware of. Then as quickly as it had begin, without further explanation he grabbed my spirit and said "It is timeto get you back to your body." This time we entered this wavy wide light green transparent tunnel. "This tunnel goes only one way, for a reason.", he said. I was just trying to wrap my head around all of this and we continued through the tunnel and I was back in my body quickly. Before I knew it he was gone. I went to look at myself in the mirror and I could still feel where he put his thumb. It had to be one of the most profound experiences I have had. I took some time to reflect on the events of my life and realizing that I felt held backfor the longest time, had given into the negativity.. Felt sorry for myself at some point then began reclaiming much of my former perceptions to arrive at this point and realized maybe it was true in some sense of the word but in some way seems so far fetched and beyond something that might be believeable. In most cases I wonder why would I be chosen for something so vital. I could die tomorrow... Or is it possible? Why at my age? Does the increase in health the past month mean something? I only seem to have more questions and sometimes enlightenment does not just give all the answers though things could just be as they are. In a sense, it does seem like this changes some of how I feel about lying and deceptive people, making me more compassionate about these groups of people as well. However, I still realize that the clouded nature of using deception as a vehicle for interaction causes a great number of problems. We will see how this plays out in days to come. Edit: Indra was my Ishta Devata. 2nd edit. Edit had previously read Indra, remains Indra. I plan to cover mantras and everything in my book.

Decided to edit my post to reflect the meaning of water and how it interacts with the other elements. Water is rebellious, I am rebellious.

I actually like Russians and the Russian language.

Advice... Ha ha! a comedian too. Well if you ever want to continue talking about this hit me up in PM. Edit: In hindsight, rather than using my flair for creative metaphors, I decided to instead say this: The five elements are useful, if you know how to use them. My question is how would you use this water that you find? Water is super-independent. If you tried to control that creativity and magnetism it will rebel. You would instead find that it would be your master. Take a lesson like this from someone who understands water well. If you cling to it or try to manipulate it, it will feel under appreciated and leave. That is the mystery of water. It is not codependent. Codependency is a corruption due to ignorance of understanding the natural self, be it masculine or feminine. The moment confusion takes hold or traits are misappropriated is the start of Codependent interactions. Thus, confusion, androgyny, codependency are not ways of nature or the Dao. Codependent is when boundarys are forgotten and this leads to aggression. Thus, water also teaches that gender role assassination and all like mannered things that come from it are also not of the Dao.

Ones I haven't used in years. Now, I am more aware of some of the effects of chanting certain mantras... But, strangely enough I feel like I am at home and at peace again. What causes this?

I had an experience some years back about 2008. I met a indigo bird creature with indigo flames coming off of it. It told me to come near, where I burst into those indigo flames. Then he shook me awake and I was never sure what had actually happened. I think I hypothesised many different things but my focus from 2005 to then was Garuda meditations. I know Garuda exists, but I doubt that it was him. I mean what does Garuda do? Does he also shoot indigo lasers out of his eyes? Edit: After meditating on the experience I realized that the indigo phoenix like bird had some gold and other colors, green especially in the chest and red as well as white. It was just that the indigo color was very intense.

Yes. In the branch and stem of the month pillar. "The Friend" personality, also like Trump. I think you should check what your star is, mine is #4 Green Wood. If you are #9, #1 or #8... We might be a match which is unexpected. Irony if that happens, anyone? Edit: If you were born in 79' your Kua number would be #3, if 91' then it would be #6 which I haven't looked up the interactions for yet. Alternately, if you were born in 86' that would be the magic #1 Star. Edit: there is no sensitive information here, added this message for emphasis.

I do understand. I love to joke too. You can also get water by using those interactions. Water is based upon magnetism, it is creative. How it counters fire is it is unpredictable... Yin Water as an example (link) But actually I have way too much metal... my bazi looks like Trump's chart. I know people and know I would not be good for you. We would fire each other. Friends, business partners maybe.

I used to watch his show as kind of a counter perspective. After he became a whiny baby after the election I just never went back.

Too much water here. Sloshing around like a pool party. Blub Blub Blub.

WB Just shortened it up a bit. Apologies.

Sorry, I thought I posted last night... It must not have taken. Yes, what I was trying to say was I wanted what was good for the forum when I changed the video. At first when you mentioned about "crosshairs" I thought that I had possibly done something additional to warrant an additional rebuke. Then, I realized knowing from how you were years back that you were actually just letting me know what the current situation was. So, I will take your invitation to stay.