doc benway

I appreciate the wisdom of your comment and offer my response as an expression of my current feelings, not necessarily as a rebuttal. I don't know you well but well enough, I think, to know that nothing I say below will be anything you don't already realize. I see a lot of sickness in my society, and our global society, and a lot of good also. While it may not always be healthy, seeing clearly is the first step towards change. I think it is important in a healthy society to rail against those causing abuse and harm to the most vulnerable among us. Equally important to spread awareness among those who may be ignorant and well-adjusted to it. Calm and stability are priceless but won't always stop starvation, torture, extermination, and the host of other atrocities going on. Sometimes action is needed and, of course, it is important that action come from that place of calm and stability to be effective and appropriate.

Human madness will not end. There will always be extremes and there will always be differences of opinion regarding what is madness and what is sanity. As Jiddu Krishnamurti famously said, it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to such a sick society. But that does not mean we can't improve our situation and that of others by beginning at grass roots levels. Human "civilization" is at least 5 - 6,000 years old, possibly older, and yet nothing meaningful has changed in our collective and individual psyches. We are evolving technologically and possibily intellectually but not psychologically or emotionally. In many ways we feel more sophisticated, more knowledgable, more capable, but if you look at our situation, inequality is worse than ever in history, our destructive potential is more formidable than ever before, the effects of our presence on Earth more destructive than ever before. When you look at our behavior and its effects, our species acts very much like a cancer - growing without any restraint or sensibility, choking out all competition, destroying our loving host, and putting our very survival at risk. It's nice to imagine that something or someone will come along and change all that but the evidence does not support such a dream. None of our religious, political, or intellectual leaders have made much of a difference overall. Certainly there are regions and groups that do better than others and this fluctuates over time but overall I see little evidence of collective psychological and emotional growth. While this may sound and feel very discouraging, there is a solution as described above. We must free ourselves from the shackles of ignorance and limitation imposed by millennia of conditioning and sabotage. We must discover and remember what it means to be fully human, both individually and collectively. That can only start by turning inward and looking at the truth of our own personal situation. For me, this is the core and purpose of spirituality.

Just saw them live a few months ago doing this song on the Beat tour, sans Fripp but the performance was great! Line up was Adrian Belew, Tony Levin, Steve Vai and Danny Carey.

This is one of the more common questions that comes up in my groups.

One challenge for me was hearing the silence in my tinnitus.

I discovered Korean TV series and... WOW... such wonderful stuff! A few of my favorites - It's OK To Not Be OK, Crash Landing On You, Vincenzo, All Of Us Are Dead, Bloodhounds and Extraordinary Attorney Woo. I started watching When Life Gives You Tangerines and after crying through the entire first episode I haven't yet managed to continue but I will eventually. Perhaps we need a TV series thread, I'm always open to suggestions.

I generally like Eco’s writing but when I finished this book I have the vivid recollection of promising myself to never again force myself to finish a book if I’m not enjoying it.

I wonder if Gerard is referring to “The Pit”?

So important, and sometimes so challenging! Especially when those big shifts and profound experiences happen. This can create a major obstacle to progress.

I would caution that if we think we no longer have craving or aversion, and have perfect equanimity, we are probably not paying close enough attention... Extinguishing karma is certainly possible in theory and elusive in practice as there are layers and layers of ever more subtle grasping. Each moment of inner quiet and stillness that gives birth to presence, connection, and genuine caring for self and others is essentially reaching the goal. Little by little these moments become more familiar, easier to access, and more continuous.

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Easy with the half-cocked accusations @Nungali I'm not a mod, did nothing but post my reply here, and I certainly did not report any of his posts. I like old3bob, regardless of our differences, and posted what I did in support of him, and the rest of us.

For what it's worth, I feel a lot of empathy for what people are going through right now regarding current events and politics. I am feeling a lot of negative emotions on a daily basis and do my best to bring it into my spiritual practice. We are living through unprecedented times and events and I wish there was a way we could offer each other more support here. Debating current and events and politics has proven not to work out well here, but perhaps there's a way we could discuss the impact they are having on us and support each other in dealing with them as effectively as possible. To some degree, I think this thread is having somewhat of a positive effect and I appreciate everyone who added their comments and the mods keeping it open so far.

yeah that stuff, whatevs. I'm not overly picky pops needle in arm

As to the OP title, "the demonic host breaking through," I read a brief and interesting article describing the mythical figures of Moloch, a Canaanite demonic deity, and Wendigo, an Algonquian demonic spirit. I don't know all that much about either but it was an interesting read, linking some of the horrors of current events to the activity and nature of these demonic figures. Both are related to the act of consumption, reminiscent of the hungry ghosts of Buddhism. Moloch is more connected to child sacrifice, the idea that children must be sacrificed and consumed to safeguard the collective. Wendigo has a more intimate and individual nature, still closely related to unbridled consumption and cannibalism.

precursor of time the truth of impermanence continuous change

I don't believe there is a correct perspective on emotions. Every individual and every tradition has a perspective. All have value and validity to varying degrees. The perspective that is most effective and useful for me depends on me, most of all. I see emotions as energy, manifesting and moving through body, speech, and mind. They are a product of many factors - physical, mental, environmental, cultural, generational, karmic, celestial, and so on. Emotions can have profound effects on, and be held or trapped in, body, speech, and mind. They affect us with or without our knowledge. The relationship to the body is easily demonstrated by the connection between emotions and illness and by the effects of physical exercise, nutrition, hormonal, elemental balance, and illness or injury on emotional states. Trauma in particular can cause deep seated and sub-conscious emotional content to be fixed in the body, in the nervous system in particular. David Bercelli's work on this is useful and interesting. The relationship to our “speech” (this can refer to our breath, our energetic states, as well as inner and outer voices and stories we tell ourselves and others), is easily seen through our recurring stories, through how our breath affects and is affected by our emotions, through how our energy level is profoundly affected by our emotional state. Dealing with emotions can take many forms - psychotherapy, dream work, body work, qigong, martial practices, drugs, art, spiritual practices, EMDR, Bercelli's trauma release exercises, etc... I work mostly with Bön Buddhist methods at this point though I have some experience using Daoist techniques as well as a form of cognitive behavioral therapy called ACT (Acceptance Commitment Therapy). In the Bön tradition there are three types of approaches. The Sutric approach (path of renunciation) is similar to what Krenx describes above - a combination of mindfulness and the use of various practices known as antidotes to negative emotions that primarily involve working with the mind. The second group of methods, Tantra (path of transformation), involves a variety of things - rituals, prayers, mantra, visualization, concentration, breathing, postures, and body movements can all be used to transform negative emotions into positive qualities like compassion and equanimity. Finally there is the Dzogchen approach (path of self-liberation). This path sees all of life experience as being "perfected." Meaning it is as it is (I feel a sort of divinity there) and there is nothing inherently wrong with it, almost like there is nothing inherently wrong with what happens in our dreams, or even death itself, they are simply an expression of the inner workings of body, speech, and mind and karma, causes, and conditions. In the dzogchen method, you learn how to recognize, connect with, and abide with stability in the natural state of their own mind which is open, unbounded, and clear. It is a discovery of a state of being that cannot be adequately described or defined. It is NOT anything we make happen under any particular conditions, it is not the result of anything we do, say, even understand, but it’s not hard to get a taste if you look properly and once you recognize, you need to become very familiar. The Tibetan word for meditation is gom which means to become familiar. When emotion arises, either spontaneously or by invitation, they are fully and directly experienced in body, speech, and mind without engagement of any sort, just openness and awareness. Leave it as it is! Emotions need to be fed by our engagement, or by suppression/repression, to be maintained and strengthened. If we are able to remain connected to our natural state of mind (one of my teachers refers to it as pure and perfect mind) and allow the emotions to simply be as they are, they soon run their course and "self-liberate.” This applies to positive and negative emotions alike. Feel great? It will change at some point, I promise! Feel horrible? It will change sooner or later, one way or another - this is impermanence. We all have that experience. Doing this once is generally not a permanent solution, however. They continuously return but over time they weaken and eventually liberate themselves with no effort or directed attention whatsoever. Not sure any of this will be useful to you but it's fun to write about sometimes. Good luck on your path!

There are several for me, mostly from the Bön tradition: How to Practice Dzogchen in Daily Life by Drupdra Khenpo Tsultrim Tenzin. One of the most precise and concise manuals on dzogchen. meditation I've ever encountered. Living Wisdom by Lungtok Tenpai Nyima Rinpoche is a wonderful collection of pith instructions drawn from several retreats he taught in the US before his passing. Awakening the Luminous Mind by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche. This is the book that introduced me to Bön dzogchen and describes both a very accessible dzogchen practice method and a more esoteric and advanced practice. Awakening the Sacred Body by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche. This book describes core practices from the tantric series of teachings that are a great support for daily dzogchen practice and can be used as an independent core practice by itself. Masters of the Zhang Zhung Nyengyüd by Yongdzin Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche is a series of teachings from 24 Bön dzogchen masters, each of whom is said to have attained the rainbow body. These are there core pith instructions given to their pupils. The Twenty-One Nails: Oral Commentaries by Yongdzing Tenzin Namdak RInpoche and Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche. The 21 Nails is a series of teachings, each of which is a description of one particular characteristic of the nature of mind. Awareness and The Way to Love are two wonderful books by one of my favorite teachers, Father Anthony Demello. Finally, anything written by Jalal ad-Din Muhammad ar-Rumi. I have several collections of his poetry. Perhaps my favorite is a book of previously untranslated work along with beautiful illustrations called Rumi: Hidden Music by Maryam Mafi

His Eminence Yongdzin Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche passed into parinirvana on Thursday, June 12th. At 100 years of age, he was the most senior teacher and practitioner of Yungdrung Bön and was most authoritative living resource and lineage holder for the three paths of sutra, tantra, and dzogchen. He was instrumental in bringing Bön out of Tibet during the invasion and occupation of Tibet by Chinese forces in 1959. He fled Tibet on horseback and was shot in the thigh, sustaining a femur fracture, and imprisoned for 10 months before managing to escape and flee to Nepal. He was instrumental in establishing the two major Bön monasteries in exile, Triten Norbutse in Kathmandu, Nepal and Menri in Himachal Pradesh, India. He tirelessly dedicated his entire life to preserving the Yungdrung Bön teachings and traditions and was very dear to the entire Bönpo community. More information is available here.

just before before the instant of creation singularity?

I appreciate you spinning this off and also feel very grateful for Cobie's valuable insights. My approach to the Daodejing, and just about any other spiritual/philosophical scripture, is to treat them as personal instructions, maps or blueprints, to help guide and provide context for my own inner discovery. I don't get much out of considering them as explications of ontology. I think the Daodejing itself makes this very clear in the first chapter where the Dao is described as ineffable. What is the difference between the Dao and the One? In my opinion and experience, and as Cobie's translation suggests, they are one and the same, analogous to what Bön and Buddhist scripture refers to as the base of all which is not different from the nature of my own mind. While studying and practicing Daoist meditation about 20 years ago, I had a life and consciousness altering non-dual experience that heavily influenced my perspective and understanding of this. Again, this is valid for me and I'm not suggesting others need to adopt this perspective or allow it to influence your own personal investigation and conclusions. What is the One giving birth to Two? This for me is the arising of duality, subject/object and yin/yang differentiation. This is the arising of my mind as distinct from its objects, the nature of samsara in Bön and Buddhist parlance. This serves as the basis for comparison, for judgement, for awareness and interaction with each other and our environment, and thus the unlimited potential for manifestation, good and bad. Two giving birth to Three for me is a description of the inseparable nature of ying and yang, the eternal interplay of contrasting aspects of the duality of being. We can describe yin and we can describe yang, but what really counts is their interconnectedness, the ever changing dance of wholeness the two aspects describe. This is beautifully encapsulated by the taiji diagram and this serves as the basis for descriptions of all things being inherently perfect, something we've discussed quite a bit in another thread. Perfect referring to the completeness achieved by the balance of yin and yang as opposed to perfection in the sense of being exactly as I'd like things to be. Finally, this endless interplay of contrasting elements, of subject and object, yin and yang, of awareness and emptiness/openness (again making a personal connection to Bön teachings) allows for the arising of all possible experiences of life, the 10,000 things. In the Bön and Buddhist teachings the empty nature of things (wuji) is absolutely necessary to allow for the potential for anything to manifest. One caveat I'd like to share relates to the atemporal nature of this description. I don't believe there is any implication of conditional or sequential stages or phases. This description is independent of time and space. Each of these descriptions is always present, in each and every moment. We have limitations as beings in time and space in how we can conceptualize and communicate but the "process," the Way, does not. Anyhow, just some personal reflections on this wonderful chapter.

So that's what happened to the old Jake from State Farm! And that's why the site's anonymous! It all makes sense now.

I'm beyond impressed by Big Merla! This is one of my favorites but she's got quite a collection of covers.

Absolutely, do everything you can (and even what you think you can't) every time! Sail to Gaza, lay down under a logging truck, sit at the top of a 300 foot redwood, post angry messages anonymously online, whatever you can manage. I'm not talking about acceptance as being - abuse me and others, all is perfect, I won't resist. Acceptance is facing facts directly in order to deal with them with clarity and precision... and when necessary. Similar to wu wei - we act when we need to but that action comes from an intelligence that runs deeper than reactivity and conditioning.