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David has had many students,more than hundred im sure of that, that he has taken to china and to meet his masters.Not one of those students has come out saying david and his masters are a sham.I think that in itself is saying something And out of all the masters that claim special powers these days.David is actually the only masters that has been able to back these claims up with proof, that i have seen anyway Ive seen video's of his masters that were not ment to come out that looked pretty damn convincing plus all the accounts of the students that have met david and his masters

Whats makes you so certain he is having kundalini syndrome?..I highly doubt it has anything to do with kundalini

The very first thing my Sifu teaches has many similarities to this shaking practice. He calls it clean body qi gong. Its composed of 3 excersises.The first one you jog around in a circle while shaking your whole body just like in these video's and you focus on forcing your exhalation out. Second and third exercise targets your core region,this provides even a more powerful release .Exhaling forcefully helps you push out anything you don't want with in your body. There is also a mantra that he teaches (Umm Mah Nii Bahh Mee Hooong) that can be practiced with the second/third exercise Offcourse it leads to spontaneity and great emotional releases etc. Its so powerful in fact that many students i met had quit due to being overwhelmed with emotions and this is just the beginner level Any one know where ratu bagus learnt this from?

Damn that blog is a GREAT read Thanks for posting that

I can just imagine david verdesi's reaction if one of his students made a phone call to wang liping inquiring about the authenticty of the entire LSD lineage haha.David Verdesi would freak out

Really makes me laugh everytime i see when people claim that kunlun energy is some sort of special super saiyen energy that can only be cultivated by practicing kunlun taught by max lol.From my experiance it doesnt feel any diffrent from other chi,but thats just me If it were so, other traditions that also practice similiar methods(BTW spontaneous QI Gong is not a rare practice,it is part of many traditions) that have been able to provide proof of there lineage would have an idea about this secret energy.There would be some kind of theory that leaked out or something. But atm all we have is the word of Max on this force that is not Chi

what else do you think it could be? Kundalini? crown chakra opening? aliens invading your brain? Id go with the Hypnagogia theory though.I often get this after a hard day at work.I lay down down and fall into this half sleep/waking state but am still fully aware of my body and sarroundings Nothing weird or special about it really

There are other signes you can follow that indicate that your crown chakra is opening, such as increased intelligance,improved memory,clarity of mind Feeling spinning vortexes in your head chakra or any chakra is nothing more than fantasy and illusion

When i first started to play around with energy meditation i wanted to feel all kinds of great sensations.One day i read an account of this persons meditation practice over the internet .He was saying that every spring he would feel a very powerfull tingling sensation on his head.So i thought wow i want to feel that.So that night i proceeded to meditate with that thought subtly hanging in my mind, and what do you know i could feel exsacly what i read in that post "Powerfull tingling sensation on top of my head" You know with enough focus you can feel what ever you want anywhere on your body but it doesnt mean jack shit.Its just your mind creating this feeling or what ever you want to call it Dont fall into the trap your mind can create

Thanks for the replies I certainly wont be trying Xienkula's method. Seems very awkward lol Doing the seated version of kunlun 1 is pretty good but its not practical to carry a chair around everywhere when you want to do it out side. It just feels a whole lot more natural when your doing it amongst the tree's (providing you don't go smack head first against a tree) and in the fresh air I think the hand/arm postures should be enough to get the energy flowing with out the need to do anything fancy with your feet.Aslong you have the intention to go spontaneous like in other spontaneous forms i have learnt, it should work fine

If someone from here has had the opportunity to witness this i would be willing to very very slightly beleive it

But no one from here has actually seen this disapearing arm trick right? only stories?

The 2 times i tried the kunlun excersise i also felt as if energy was moving in reverse while i was in the resting period,it was especially strong in my throat region.I couldnt help thinking that what if something bad happens if it reaches my head so out of fear i forced it back down heh ..ah well

My teacher advises against moving energy through the mco or even focusing on the dan-tien until you have reached a certain stage in your training. He calls it pure land.Im sure other systems have a different name for it You cant successfully move energy and build your dan-tien with out having reached this stage. You will only create deviations and start to fantasise about pumping pineal glands and lotuses blooming out of your head Basically he describes pure land as being a state where all tension has been dissolved,your breathing naturally becomes very fine,even and slow, and your mind becomes totally still and focused The method i use is very much like what bruce franzis teaches where you focus on dissolving tension from your body starting from your head then going down. After that i focus all my attention on the in and out breath going through my nose with out forcing it. Basically thats a foundation method for the Nei Dan Gong i am learning Having trained this method for several months, i have started to get glimpses of what my teacher calls pureland.Until i can enter that state with little effort there is not even talk of moving energy through the microcosmic orbit

I know my recent kunlun question was pretty stupid, but this question blows mine away in the way of stupidity lol

Ive been wondering lately how the Kunlun Spontaneous neigung is any diffrent to techniques from other schools that also induce this Zi Ran Gong state I have learnt a method from my teacher which produces the same effects as far as i know, but the method is very diffrent. Basically you just get into a relaxed state,use your thumb to press your navel 36 times Then give your self a few mental commands "My heart is relaxed and happy" "My mind is calm and content" "I feel like an immortal floating on a cloud in pure land" "My blood and chi are flowing freely through my body" etc etc Then direct your mind down to your dan-tien and let go of everything.Once you have given your self the intention to go spontanous it usually starts all by its self Another method i learned invloves rolling your spine in a certain way with your left hand touching your Dan-tien, right hand on ming men and visualize your self as a male deer , eventually you go spontaneous.Personally i like the first method better So would this technique produce different results to what kunlun produces? Does the posture that is used in the level 1 kunlun have a particular purpose? are there diffrent postures you can do to acheive a diffrent type of spontaneous state?

[quote I've never seen david do anything, so is he level 4? I will never know. Has his students other than sean seen him do things like john does? I've never heard from any! So we have about 3 books and 3 videos to validate wang and Johns claims.. are they real? You obviously havnt been searching hard enough..friend

You could learn Tai Chi 18.It was created in 1981 by a famous Qi Gong master named Sifu Lin Hou Sheng.Basically it has all the movements from the 24 form broken down into seperate excersises Little room is required since you dont do the stepping work like you do in the 24 form.Its just like a normall Qi Gong form But preferably it should be done out side. Cant hurt to do it in side though

G'day Where in australia is the Tao Wu Shin temple located if you dont mind me asking?

G'day Good to have more aussies here Mind sharing a bit about your Qi Gong mate and perhaps who your teacher is? Ive been learning for a quite a while from a master in Melbourne named Shan Hui Xu

LOL!!

I think you just got a wild imagination But then if i remember correctly "Jiiang Shifu" David verdesi's master did develop the Yin-Yang Gong ability at the age of 17.Im sure he went through intense prior training to get there though It is also said that if you try to follow this path at a young age before your body has reached full maturity, it can stump the growth of your body and development of your mind.Im pretty sure you risk loosing the functionality of your penis to That only really applies to the nei gung aspects of the training.Practices like tai-chi or standing meditation would be fine

So uniting one self with the supreme being lord shiva, Perceiving infinite bliss and awakening spiritual powers ( siddhis) is not a big deal hey? You truly must be blessed if you are experiencing these things and can think of them as being not a big deal lol

WOW you have awakened kundalini? Its a great privilege to have such a highly enlightened being amongst us I would love for you to share the knowledge that kundalini has revealed to you hehe but seriously What indications are there that has convinced you that you have awakened your kundalini? cheers

Who are you to come here posting your filth on this forum? Why do you even come here? I dont get it