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@esoterica It would be a democratic voting, so people can feel righteous about it and don't have to realize the horror of what they're doing.

That might be just being careful of not being mentally manipulated. Wanting to know, to understand what you're doing with your body and brain before you do it.

Right. If the lawyer was able to talk himself out of being the one who has to jump, I agree.

@joeblast Got another one, from some time ago. A "Paul Crutzen" was once active in saving the ozone layer and said that in order to fight global warming he would approve of spraying the ozone-killing sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere. He roughly said that the world is not perfect and it is OK to sacrifice a bit of ozone to save the world. Now THAT'S what I call a "mad scientist"!

Jiddu Krishnamurti - he was quoted in "Zeitgeist: Addendum". @mantis The name says it all: dis-order. The society wants to make everybody adapt to an ideal, and when you deviate from that, you act against the order, thus act disorderly.

Did this have the feel of like when the picture on a CRT TV set collapsed for a moment into blackness and a little white spot in the middle? Like a part of your consciousness (your operating system, if you will) did a quick re-boot? Because I once felt something like that during semi-meditation (calmness). My one and only OOB experience was completely void of any sound though.

I just realized that hydrogen burns almost without giving off any light, so another bad allegory. But it is HOT!

If I am allowed to just barge in as a layman... Just wanted to mention that I think it's a nice, assuring and very appropriate thing to add a protective factor to the healing ceremony to ward off breezes trying to blow out the light-giving candle. ... Wait ... bad allegory. With Stigweard it's more likely a blowtorch on hydrogen-oxygen fuel.

I feel sorry for those people.

Nice film, but will add a lot more of wacky religion to established science. They seem to develop a liking for not understanding quantum physics. Maybe I'm mistaken. It's late. I'm tired.

@m @T You are both troubled! And so am I.

Oh, that argument again. Has been a long time. Please name some indications for that.

Me meat love. But no me meat loaf.

Oh so you thought about the island and the time after landing? I chose the lawyer out of reflex.

From what my brother told me, in LOTRO you can actually call the gamemasters "really cool guys". And the healers (bards) are relatively easy to play in my opinion. Personally ... the terminal experience that made me quit WoW also terminated my passion for all of them. Totally died off. As long as the real world is far from being nice, I can't waste that much time for a game. The last game I played was Far Cry 2, and I did it with a trainer program, because I was only interested in the storyline ... which is pretty good ... based on Heart of Darkness. Nice to see educating stories in games and movies (Quantum of Solace).

@SiddhaSan What's wrong with the transition of Christianity as a myth to control the people to 9/11 as as myth to control people?

Yes, the zen approach is nice, and the problem with games like WoW is that they try to take the fun out of it. Opportunities for creative ideas are treated like disturbances and are 'fixed' in the next patch. The lack of individualization is one thing, but a lot more frustrating is the mentioned basic principle that forces people into standard patterns. One time I wanted to skill my mage extremely towards warrior, making a kind of fighter monk out of it. It was nearly pointless, and became totally pointless shortly after when they removed items with random and 'unwanted' attributes like a robe with strength. Blizzard followed its tradition. WoW is no more a role playing game than Diablo. Lord of the Rings Online is different, and you notice that by the attitude of the players. It draws a wholly different bunch of people. A very cool feature there is that you can play musical instruments there with your keyboard, and it is so easy that I could put my musical creativity to good use, although I can't play an instrument. I have many ideas about a super-cool MMORPG that encourages phantasy and creativity, but my experience tells me this will never be ... at least not without me pushing it. Ryzom ring appeared unrefined to me, but I liked the idea that you have no classes and you can wear whatever armor you like and its weight will have an effect on your abilities. Another feature that I would implement is a natural and real-life-based skill system where you learn things and become better at them by doing them and losing skill after a while of not doing it. This would even eliminate (fixed) levels. Maybe just a total-hours-played info would be sufficient. I have this theory that every aspect of an MMORPG that differs from total realism is not to make it 'more playable', but to serve the business purpose, to attract the masses of un-creative people.

Hm... then I will just notice them as a kind of confirmatory side effect of the path that I go.

Hmm... maybe he follows the idea of not worry --> bee happy

This is such a weak and over-used point, equaling Christianity with virtue and atheism with the absence of it, and the movie makes it clear that this is not the case. It advocates dealing with all this philosophically. You seem to mix up leaving the fake Christianity with leaving the virtuous core of it. Please don't start to see disinformants everywhere. It reminds me of Don Croft and might be the effect that our perceived enemy/opposition can have on us. It plays in the hands of "Divide and Conquer". I think what's shown in Zeitgeist is one step towards truth, and an even deeper analysis of Christinanity like you did in your post does not negate its validity, but rather honors its approach of not blindly accepting everything said.

Why is he called the Bee Daoist?

Hilarious! What was the question again?

Simple. I understand these things by watching people and the society ... and myself in past and present ... and then philosophizing and analyzing.

It is more than wiggling around; It is lobbyist corruption. The FED is unofficially private when you consider the many similar cases like this one: Henry Merritt "Hank" Paulson Jr. (born March 28, 1946) served as the 74th United States Treasury Secretary and is a member of the International Monetary Fund Board of Governors. He previously served as the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Goldman Sachs. And there are various people who directly came from the FED into 'official' politics. About "government entity with private components". Maybe practically 100% private components? It's all corrupted by business. In Germany we have public TV. They have guidelines about what to broadcast ... news, culture and such. They are not allowed to broadcast commercials (sadly with some exceptions), but they hire managers from the private sector and begin to compete for market share! They are financed by mandatory fees from the people and always lobby to get more, and they behave like they could go bankrupt! And they have so much crap in their program that they could just dump and save a lot of money.

Very enlightening essay.