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I know the feeling. Once you see Ferraris everywhere, no other car will do.

POV = point of view POW = prisoner of war Let him gooo!!! O-keeeey ... Are you aware that imagining death and experiencing it is somewhat different? I don't mean dying in your mind, I mean your mind dying. If you don't feel reborn and changed afterwards, it's not the real thing and not preparation. It's like claiming you learned to play football by reading the results in the newspaper. It really has some entertainment value to see those two quotes together. Keep experimenting though. It's all part of life and we are learning in every moment.

Yeah, negative stuff might get deleted before you see it. This forum is kept pure and tidy. 'Move along - nothing to see here.' Bit cynical maybe, but for a reason.

From these very words, nothing implies that cultivating that energy will make you prevail after death. It says that you will prolong your life. Like: If your energy burns out, you die. If you cultivate it more, you live longer. Can you give a correct instead of a made up figure about that? What method(s) did you use to make that experience?

This process will probably only happen once you have the sincere wish to discover the lies you don't see. Otherwise you will just shatter the mirrors. And unless you really feel miserable, there will be no sincere wish to see the lies. Many people can more or less comfortably live with them. Probably less comfortably, but it can be handled, you know. Especially if you offload the suffering to other people.

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It might seem like that, but maybe you are adapting your personality out of desire for power, and that makes the power control you. You will become an instrument of power. (And most hopelessly enslaved are those who falsely believe they are free.) Strange concept... the energy surviving death. Or are you confusing the energy with a part of yourself? Your ego won't survive death, so why bother? Power will be the laughing winner and the slave dies. Power translates into control. Desire for control is rooted in fear. Fear is a function of the egoic mind. More influence in the physical realm might be useful for your life, but as things go for you right now, when you die your personality will be so much attached to and dependant on power that it will freak out and shatter. (Your identity will die if it believes it has died because there is nothing left.) If you really want to practice for making a part of you prevail after death, you should practice for that moment. There are means for inducing fake death experiences (purely in your head). You will totally freak out, be scared shitless. Keep practicing until that doesn't happen anymore. Will be tough, though, because it requires surrender - Tao Gong, haha.

Alright, I am sorry that I am hurting you. I will stop now. (I promise!) (I won't self-censor though.) Don't be afraid. I'm not dangerous. Except to fears maybe.

I am still only offering perspectives and people's behavior/reactions are a language of itself. It's not me assuming I know what you are thinking, it's you talking freely about it all over the place, between the lines, but still very apparent. Even children can teach us important lessons if we don't think we are in all ways superior to them. We can all learn from each other. You say that you wish medical chi gong would be accepted faster than it is. So apparently that it is gradually, slowly accepted is not enough for you to feel fulfilled. But that means you are unsatisfied, so you suffer. This is spiritual root stuff. Maybe you are uncomfortable looking at it from the root. You are also not giving any information about how you do supposedly think, so there cannot be exchange of understanding. If your spiritual practice is so awesome and advanced, then demonstrate your skills in everyday life. You say you perceive my suggestions as stalking. That is a relatively harsh perception, and that, too, is your own manifestation. We create our reality by attaching labels to stuff, and it is our free choice to shape that process as we wish. I did not intend to 'stalk' you. Do you want to be stalked? Your choice. Do you not want to be stalked? Your choice, too. You create your reality. I keep hinting at it all the time: It is an inner process, not an outer one. You are writing stuff on a spiritual internet forum. That already gives a very clear framework about what to expect and what skills to employ. Maybe the lesson is too harsh for you right now, but it will keep knocking on the door. Maybe you can live without learning it, but maybe not very happily.

Very apparent approach here. Calling the Tao Kung beginner stuff and the Nei Kung "true". I can imagine why Liao changed his approach. Maybe because of the way his old students developed. It is almost common wisdom that in order to responsibly handle raw power, you first have to cultivate character. Yang and Yin are equal. You are basically calling Yang true and Yin beginner stuff. That is very immature, but totally understandable in our society. You are right that students might resort to excuses when they are 'beaten', but that shows that they have the same holes in understanding. So when Liao teaches the Nei Kung at the very end, that sounds very responsible or rightfully careful to me. So there's a lack of basic understanding of the eastern approach - about balance. You don't purify by building resistance against impurity. You do it by not needing any resistance, because that which is impure cannot enter that which is pure.

@Ya Mu I previously tried to hint at those concerns that you have, and luckily you are looking at it from both sides. You acknowledge that which you already have accomplished, but you have also set goals, and not seeing them come true makes you inflict suffering onto yourself. Goals can be a great motivation, but we should see them for that purpose only. If we cannot let go of that (mostly arbitrary) goal, we will drive ourselves crazy. If you know that what you do is good, then that process already is the achievement. The world will never be paradise. There will always be struggle. Getting rid of everything is not the point. Making our humble contribution during our lifetime as best as we can is a sufficient purpose. If you can make a living with doing what you love, you are blessed, and everything else should be considered extra.

It's in my comments at the end of the previously linked thread: http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/19500-master-clymans-ppt-workshop/

Very interesting to hear. Can you please provide all further info you have on this (details, sources, dates)? If I remember correctly, Gary talked about how, in his Tai Chi school, he was the most ambitious student and thus was eventually given responsibility over the school in some way. Not sure about details here. We have a very apparent example in this thread. Speaking of Waysun Liao, in case it's interesting, here is what Gary said during the seminar I attended: He badmouthed Liao, saying something about someone invited him to the USA and then he'd give students nearly nothing, stalling, taking a lot of money and artificially prolonging the process of study, and contrasted it to his teachings, where he supposedly reveals everthing right away. This impression was confirmed by one seminar attendee who apparently is a great fan of Gary. It might be correct that Liao's behavior at least appeared like that. Maybe Liao knew what he was doing, or maybe some students weren't good material (greedy, unbalanced, whatever?) and thus didn't get much from Liao. I can't provide more on the matter. I can only emphasize that Gary has an I-am-better-than-Liao standpoint and borderline-tells people that Liao is scamming students for their money. He did that fa jin thing with pushing someone against the fence while our group was outside. I cannot say for certain, but it felt a lot like he had no intention of demonstrating it on anybody else except that one select person, who was a fan of Gary and thus personally biased. Seemed strange to me that he had a seminar group of maybe 6-8 people there and then would pick only one person to demonstrate his skills on. Little nitpicky detail: I found it weird that he charges $1000 for a seminar where he contributes relatively little effort, and then he dictates where we all were going to have lunch (it practically was part of the seminar schedule), which turned out to be a very expensive chinese restaurant where he knew the owner's family or something, and then that was not included in the price. That's somewhat bad style.

Same thing with my (but not exclusively my) interaction with Gary. If there was no emotional issue being touched, he'd have no reason to act like an asshole or an insecure child. There are many ways to do healing. The less conventional ones (no power-ranger show&shine) are easily overlooked.

Right on the sternum? I can't inflict nearly that amount of pain on myself even if I use my fingernail. And as I said, in my case, that level of pain was relatively mild. It also felt a bit like going deep, like an inch - it was not superficial pain. Another guy was pretty shocked, yelling "Jesus Christ!" and THAT was still nothing compared to the pig-like squealing that a woman made. Sounded like she was being burned alive. Of course, these differences could be due to different pain tolerance, but maybe pain tolerance is a relevant variable in the whole process. Because I suspect that pain tolerance might have to do with inner resistance or self-torture - that it is emotionally based. Who knows. ... Gary doesn't.

Focus all your energy on living well. This mind-limited existence is a divine realm, for it is Oneness' most precious ( and probably only ) toy. Think about it: Enjoyment comes from making new experiences, to grow, to be confronted with novelty. But if you already are everything, then enjoyment comes from experiencing less than that. So at whatever point you are, you define yourself by contrasting yourself to a different state than your own.

And wisdom is knowing where you're going.

I am already aware that you are happily distorting things. Not that I expect you will learn, but let me correct: - "Learn the basics" doesn't necessarily imply that you know none. But you haven't demonstrated some so far. Very insecure reaction that you feel so belittled. It will continue to happen until you regain your spiritual independance. The battle to be fought is on the inside, with yourself, with sincerity. - I don't claim I know what you should learn, I merely made a suggestion. - I don't attempt to validate my opinions with other people's opinions, but with observation, verification, comparison, pondering, insight and many other means until a big consistent picture emerges. Very telling that, in your above statement, you equal other people's opinions with reality. This is pop-culture thinking. And that's why I suggested you learn the basics of spirituality. Since you are so dependant on other people's opinions, it is also no surprise that you take my suggestions so seriously and exaggerate them and thus their meaning for your life. But the interpretation of things said is your responsibility. As long as your emotional makeup maintains a perceptual filter like that, you will imagine outer threats that are just a manifestation of your inner state. You have a long journey ahead of you.

Why are you asking me again? I just stated my thoughts on it, did you overread again? He didn't tell me that anything was wrong or that I might need more treatments. Maybe he stopped because my skin was bleeding already. But as I mentioned (do I have to repeat myself all the time?), he fully expected me to feel unburdened. In his perception (and his statements in later e-mail correspondence), he did nothing wrong and everything went as intended. That was actually very lazy-ass. He let us fill out a short questionnaire, heard our answers, then gave us 'better' affirmations that we should repeat while doing some energy practices. That and playing his videos on the TV for $1000. Easy job. That's why I called you a fanboy. Not as an empty insult, but because you're not even trying to hide it. You still have to learn that people of status can still be fools and that nobody is perfect. Furthermore, I am not defining myself through other people's opinions of me. I am seeking the truth in my own heart. It's more empowering. This is a spiritual forum. Learn the basics.

Even Bruno Gröning, who was like the closest thing to a reincarnate Jesus, couldn't heal some people who held onto their illness too strongly. And ayahuasca, too, never gives you more than you can handle, meaning that you usually have to give up resistance step by step. As far as I understand and from Gary's own statements, he intends to use pain in order to get past that resistance by overpowering people's will of holding onto their issues. And if he cannot inflict the pain required, or if the will is too strong, it won't work. And I can understand why Mr. Confidence gets pissy/insecure when he encounters someone with more willpower than he can crack. I've witnessed this process of covered up inferiority complex / fear of failure / blame game several times. And it's no surprise if you understand how western culture stigmatizes stuff. (being wrong = bad, being weak = bad, etc.) It would have been wise for Gary to closely examine cases where his method was not successful in order to refine it. That would have been the approach of a healthy personality. Instead the utmost flexibility in his method is doing several runs. But the ironic truth is that if you look at the characteristic of EmoLipo (brute force), it's no surprise that he uses the same approach on meta-level. Gary's whole personality is a lot about brute force. (Correction: half of it, he is kinda imbalanced as I mentioned.)

Jetsun might have failed to clearly point out the difference between an emotional issue without (or with a weak) vs. with a strong defense layer to you, but if you keep talking about "satisfied customers", you might be required to pay for advertising on this forum. Is this by any chance one of Gary's multi-level marketing things?

@Green Tiger Cancer can be a manifestation of emotional trauma. There can be other contributing factors, but there's quite conclusive research that the emotional can be the trigger, and that cancer is one of those physical reactions that don't match reality, because the body tries to (over)react to something purely emotional. But it might also be a weakening of an organ, which would be more according to chinese medicine wisdom. In both cases, it would be like when you cannot 'stomach' a shocking experience/problem and then get stomach cancer. (Anyway, the doctor who did the research was hunt down and died in prison. One of those cases where someone challenges power structures I guess.)

As I tried to point out, the sternum point was crucial and a tough nut to crack, and he didn't crack it. OK, maybe you are not aware of this profound wisdom: In order to really know people, you have to challenge them. Of course Gary can be all-confident as long as he is within his own comfort zone. Only when things don't go as expected, then observe how people deal with it. And it happens so often that they lose their composure, which indicates an emotional vulnerability, an attachment, inner demon, whatever you want to call it. It's not healthy. Words can be deceiving. It is more important to look at the "how" than at the "what". (Just as people-readers will tell you that a liar's body-language will speak the truth.) It might seem to you like strong projections, but it's psychoanalysis mixed with many other disciplines for verification and deepening. You don't have to believe anything of course, but please consider the possibility. I am still heavily questioning me all the time and refining, and I would be honored if you kept an open mind. If you allow me to continue using my skills here: Your perception is shooting over the goal because of an emotional attachment (after all you posted a kind of advertising thread, not an inquiring one) when you ask how I generalize my impression. Because I didn't generalize. I never doubted that Gary's method works in almost all cases. I simply pointed out that he cannot handle well that his method doesn't have 100% success rate and that he becomes ugly when it fails. If he didn't have an inner issue connected to that, he could be relaxed about it. (There's a German saying that goes in the direction of what I mean, maybe you know it: 'The one who shouts is wrong.')

Oh my. Stop crying, fanboy. You can still believe whatever you want.

Then you overread something. Gary's claims about the method simply don't match the outcome, and that by itself hints at overconfidence. He claims that you don't have to believe in it to work and that you cannot not get healed, because he forces it; resistance is futile. Disproven. He claims afterwards you will feel like a great burden is lifted off of you. Disproven. But he did the checking of points before the procedure and said there is stuff at some of them that needs releasing. You should really pay more attention to the information at hand. And his contradictory behavior speaks for itself. Someone who talks and acts about super-confidence and then gets insecure and defensive when talked to in the same way that he talks clearly shows inner issues. At least he should be more modest, because otherwise he's fooling himself.