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Here is something different - Please listen to this wonderful music Anouar Brahem - Vague, E la nave va

Truth is priceless, because it can never be catched. You catch it and you will destroy it. Truth is movement. There is no way of speaking of truth or speaking of any journey to any truth at all, for that matter.

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Me neither LOL (thanks Kate)

OK, that is what I call sensing, no experiencer to me means no experience. So we arrive at the same essence, so to speak

There may be sensing and thoughts but no identity, no relationship, so no experience in presense, what so ever.

You want two or more different things at the same time, that is neurotic and quite common. Why would you deal with that, when in fact you only change the thoughts not the neurotic state?

Consciousness is so clean that anything we do to purify it will make it dirty. I suggest the guys you mention had reasons to practise qi kung based on ideas of their body and not the body it self, and that's why they destroyed their bodies so effectively. Thoughts are draining the body, so actions based on idea will be postponing natural expression of life. Only when we are dead we benefit from yoga and gain life (!) (sorry - for the lack of terms? These guys were proff. Yes? They must have known about this so, in fact they were probably more interested in the mind (being dead) improving this toolkit (of perception) instead of just being alive and maybe that way realising that all life expression is spontaneous, so in fact no mind will ever realise life (it's to slow), we are left alone with out any clue what so ever and only to give up - surrender and accept the facts. They probably wanted to perfect the perfected, the mind (?) even further, never realising that mind already where perfect in the first place and that the perfected is not of this world. When we lie we forget how to recognise our self in the rest of the entire world, the surroundings will be perceived as hostile and alien to the lyer. No yoga for any reason in the world can balance that up, no efforts will take us there - As I already pointed out only surrender will, and second to non will actually make it and surrender. The problem is to do so you need to be with out an alternative, no one "do" surrender if possible, we will question it and look for further reasons.