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Hi Sifu, I have been away too long

Very good point, Hundun...

Meditation Mastery is great, but not as great as KAP - can certainly understand finances as an issue - If this is the major obstacle, then I would suggest going for Meditation Mastery, but working towards KAP - the energetic transmissions make all the difference. IMO the difference between meditation mastery and KAP is the difference between a chevy cavalier and a mercedes benz, they both get you where you want to go, but one is much, much faster - If you are not able to work something out with Vajrasattva (Santiago) then keep us updated - I might be able to help in a few months - Best wishes on your journey. PS = Yes, I am one of those who have gotten a tremendous benefit from KAP - Thank you Santi and Susan

U either got it or you don't - You are either pregnant or you not - Santi called me out and this is how I respond - a word of warning to those who had the same delusions that I did - Kundalini does not make your life easier - it makes your life much harder in my experience - more responsibility etc...I was wrong about kundalini when I first started on the path...

I am glad to see and feel Silatgirl's presence here She got the goods and I've had a number of energetic exchanges with her - smiling at Silatgirl -DJS

Draja Mickaharic has excellent recipes for baths in his book Spiritual Cleansing. You might try one that is composed of sea salt, baking soda and Epsom salt. All three are referred to as salts but have different chemical and energetic properties. Epsom salt, containing magnesium, which will be absorbed through the skin, promotes relaxation of muscles and the central nervous system - most people who eat the standard American diet are magnesium deficient. Use 2-3 tablespoons of sea salt, cup of epsom salt and box of baking soda. Baking soda is a great ingredient for a salt bath all by itself and is very cleansing on an energetic level. You can probably get a small box for 99 cents in your local grocery store - use the whole box in your bath. Also, use your intent when you take the bath and imagine toxins being drawn out and that cleansing is occurring - this will enhance the process. Good luck if you try it out

If you are around tonight then you should check this out - you will not be disappointed - some folks will have delayed reactions from this as energy works through

I most strongly disagree with the original post that started this thread! KAP does not suck, in fact it is quite excellent This is hilarious - LMAO

This is truly a blessing for all those who attend DJS

You might want to check out Frater UD - he has a book that has some info related to this. This is not considered to be that uncommon in western hermetic circles. I would advise some caution, as I can feel you are aware of the need for this. I am more familiar with the western magical perspective on this than Taoism etc, but there are different forms of spirit sex with different types of spiritual entities - some are helpful and some are not (some people use this to raise power etc)... This experience is sometimes sought after amongst men who seek to consort with Lilith...I'm not sure the female equivalent. Another word of caution - these spirits can cause intense obsession and sometimes are jealous of other relationships you have and will actively interfere in your life in a way that you might not want over time. Wish you the best... -DJS

Yes Small orbit can be very helpful Agreed - it is not always the same for all people...

SereneBlue - keep going - you have some sexual hang ups - no worries - keep going - go beyond your feelings - Your ego will want u to back off due to fear of dissolving into emptiness - keep going - u r on the right path...What you are feeling is only dangerous to your ego - but, ego is still important - so no worries if you need to stay with it... Let your body spontaneously go with the flow when you meditate - let the life force "meditate you" - You r developing some energy, but it scares u - keep going, my friend U r doing really well...

LMAO!

Rawn Clark spent many years working with Franz Bardon's material and if I am not mistaken, did not start putting forth his innovations till after he had a degree of mastery. Another person in the hermetic tradition (Franz Bardon specifically) who is worth checking out is Bill Mistele. When you compare the practices from both of them you will find many similarities to tibetan buddhism, taoism and other traditions. Many ways up the mountain. IMO - its a good idea to start and stick with a decent system till some mastery has been gained - some people may be able to blaze their own way, but most have practiced something before branching off...Lot's of research shows that it takes a good amount of practice time (10,000+hrs) to master something. Bradford Keeney has some interesting material about shamanic practice and he advocates spontaneous movement originated by the life force as the way...But his research indicates that it still takes time, energy and practice to work with the life force - even when it spontaneously moves through you...Who know though, some people (eckart tolle and others) seem to have spontaneously awakened. Another perspective, similar to Brad Keeney is to let shakti guide you...Of course then you could always get into discussions about form and formlessness, shiva and shakti, emptiness vs fullness etc...I am just confusing myself now - hope everyone is having a great night! Enjoy the weekend -Darin

KAP is not for everyone, we each have our own way up the mountain, but it certainly is the right way for some of us...What is right for you may not be right for me - let your heart be your guide...Glad to see that some of the more negative posts are no longer here....

Really interesting replies to the response of someone who has taken one class so far...I will answer many of the questions from other people in a few moments, at leat according to my experience: [*]I have taken KAP 1- KAP2 and PSD (I was one of the people who advocated very strongly for PSD1 based on personal experience)... Did I feel energy in my spine within 90 days? Yes, I did. - Was it the full kundalini arousal from base to crown and back again? No, don't think so... Do I believe that kundalini was awakened in that time frame? Yes I do. Have I had visions and really intense and interesting experiences? Yes, I have - both while awake and asleep... Has the course been worth the money I invested? Absolutely! When you consider the amount charged per hour of time spent educating students, then I have to admit that people probably receive a much better ROI from KAP than I am able to provide with my time, but I still believe that what I offer has great value ... IMO it would be more polite to discuss this topic as a separate thread asking pertinent questions of the general taobums membership then asking questions from someone who is brand new to KAP - As a more experienced practitioner I will be happy to reply as time allows Thanks Darin

Members of Taobums, Hello! I am sponsoring one person for a class by Santiago Dobles (aka - vajrasattva) - Please let me know the class you are looking to take and myself and Santi will figure out the payment - First come first served That's just how shakti wants it Would've liked for this to be anonymous, but not sure how to do that Thanks, Darin

Ok, thanks for letting me know Santi - I sent a message to Tao Thanks Darin

SereneBlue - the new KAP schedule is out - let me know which class you are interested in taking -Darin

SereneBlue, Thanks for replying! My pleasure to sponsor you Thanks for the opportunity - e - mailing Santi, now Thanks Darin

Scholarship, anyone?

Hey bro! Felt you on the journey a few nights ago! Thanks for asking Maybe we all pitch in next time? Prehaps a way that we can all repay some giri I'll get this one, bro Thanks, Darin

Please practice this everyone I had a rough time with KAP in the beginning - the secret smile helped me a huge amount - Santiago has added the empowerment for everone - I can feel it I'm still working on bliss, but each practice builds on the other! Gambatte, my friends

I will only report on my own experience. The KAP class that I am a member of is an incredible bargain IMHO. Santiago has been generous with his time and teaching, including devoting a good deal of time outside of class to helping me out. I would suggest that the "doubters" pony up the cost of the course and try it out. Experience is the best teacher and the cost of the course is cheap compared to many others that are offered. I have had a number of experiences with this course that many would consider "mystical" - visions of Kali etc, which are awesome, but not the point of KAP, IMO. I will speak from my inner feeling, which anyone can deny and refute, but Goldisheavy, your posts do not come across with positive energy - you may deny this, as others will, but that is the truth as I know it. Members of this forum have only to feel inside themselves, in their guts and solar plexus and they will know the truth of which I speak. As I write this my feelings are changing - Goldisheavy, please do not take this as an attack, the truth is as you know it, but be open to other truths and test what you think you know against direct experience. Try out KAP - it might help you out - Wishing you well and hoping that we all will find the truth in our journey. Smiling to everyone on this forum -Darin

Wondering what other's thoughts are on this issue - What do you think of the differences between the conception of the four elements based on earth, water, fire and air (Most people add space/void as a fifth element) and the taoist perspective of metal, wood, water, fire and earth and does this difference have a discernable impact on spiritual cultivation? I've read Eric Yudelove's (SP?) attempt to resolve the differences between these systems. It seems to me that one system emphasizes body organs and the other emphasizes vertical alignment of the body into elemental regions. What do others think?