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IMO - However any sort of conciousness movement/vibration/chi experience should happen it's own way without my influencing it. I would prefer the unbaised and unfiltered approach. Is that in itself shaping my experience? Probably, I try even to drop the "I'm approaching this without an expectation of the outcome" too. Zazen really appeals to me.

I think the confusion may stem from accounts such as Gopi's wherein his book he describes it as something that wasn't there, then during meditation it suddenly and powerfully moved through him, then different effects on his mind body and soul followed. It just smacks of "awakening" Also, the whole train ride thing that people describe when it shoot up the spine, and then permanent changes that then accur to the person - it just *sounds* like something that wasn't *there* before or at least in force. Does that make sense? Although IMO - I'd like personal experience of some kind so I could validate some stories just for myself. I'm just not that lucky yet it seems. But yeah, that would be where just I see where different viewpoints would arise. Maybe just stemming from the experiences protrayed even in google searches of *Suddenly it blasted up* sort of stuff. Edit: I should add: ~I don't know either way!~ (Done!)

It would be nice if some replies were less sarcastic or downplaying, some of which don't even indicate that they have read the same material as you so it might be construed as children on the playground making fun, as babes tend to. I'm glad that you found something so worthwhile for you, at least. Mention more of the book in a way that could find me and others a chance to understand it better and perhaps you'll even create interest.

Have yet to reach the end of this long thread, but was struck curious and interested by what I have read thus far. Taichimania seems to hold all of Mr Dunn's materials. My question is, to start this self healing system, which of the materials would your suggest? I have no real experience of martial arts or QiGong - only ridiculously strange energetic experiences with myself and others and would like to finally have a grasp on my own development, and would like to learn chi cultivation and self-healing, else-wise I am also interested in introducing my wife to self healing techniques and trying internal healing techniques with her in the future for the benefit of us both. Thank you for your time.

If you don't want to include the things OBE brings into the equation, then it easy to leave it alone unless you have a problem with spontaneous projection. Otherwise, I feel if ignoring it or assuming it as something as useless as a toy is self detrimental, IMO only. It is easy to see when someone has made up their mind, and little reason exists to change it if these beliefs aren't causing any harm. It is like owning a plot of land, unless your nearest residents turn around and decide to burn you to death in your barn then its well enough to leave each other be. So, I'll let you be. Though, what I do find to be at least a nuisance is the "hint dropping" since your beliefs are just that, and even if you feel that they have allowed you to climb to a plane much above our own, or perhaps you feel it helps us somehow to say these things - it equates to throwing useless facts at a person like saying the Effiel Tower is so many feet tall, or the soil is only so deep in Southern California due to sediments. Koans are meant to change the way a person is thinking and open the doors of perception. If that is really what is being attempted here perhaps you should change the approach that is being used. No harm done.

Actually, I've noticed that projection is a powerful energy working method. I've seen people physically effected over distance with OBE/projection. I won't get into an argument though, it all comes down to perception, and if you can't find a use for it, it is better that you can keep out of the way for those who do, it is better that way.

I've RB's book and started the method. My first experience is quick fatigue and stuck feelings and the tendency for the feelings to almost seem to "float" off the skin and out of the body and brush the surfaces. How has the actual energy movements been for you? I suppose I should stick to fingers and toes for now.

DM, All I can say is that it sounds like your really making progress, in fact I think your post is rather inspirational. I'm going to try those healing sounds that you've mentioned here and in the Secret Smile thread. I hope you continue to find healing for the pain in your past.

When first sitting for meditation my mouth has started curling into a smile all on its own, and sometimes a "good" feeling accompanies this, and my eyes even move into the correct position. As of yet I haven't added in the confidence or any other emotion other than happiness becuase I just can't make it or remember what it feels like. My question to the bums(any bum whom practices Secret Smile) is this: Why would you say that Secret Smile meditation causes tears and a turbulant emotional state as often as it helps? Is this part of the process of smiling away all the junk in my system? Sometimes my eyes tear up upon starting meditation and my fear or depression overcomes the practice. Can anyone perhaps also suggest an energetic and effective healing for assisting in healing my emotions?

That's fairly nuts. Okay. Hmm, how do I wrap my head around this one... ahah, I think my head just started listing to the side a bit becuase its so crazy. Anyhow, I like it. That's a crazy noodle of an idea. It would be nice to eventually experience something like that in meditation anyway. Maybe I can look forward to it in the future. Thumbs up!

I hear emptiness all the time. What is Dependent Origination, though?

Yep, easy. An alien can easily take someone in by projecting either loving or sexual thoughts. Now go build me a castle! B!*$# Lol. The wierd things make sense. Anyhow, no personal experience with 'aliens' here. I just wanted to joke a bit.

What worked for me was having someone project, and then mess with me randomly throughout the day. It makes projection a much easier topic to understand. Especially when your standing next to cooworkers and jumping around becuase your being pinched by unseen hands.

I've concentrated on sending the energy back and up the spine while going at it alone. I had some soft sexual imagery to look at if I needed help and meditated while concentrating on the path I wanted the energy to travel. The first time it worked it hit the bottom of the back of my head (The funnily shaped part) and I was stunned. I nearly fell out of my chair, strong stuff, that sex energy.

Libido rises for me when I store.. It's fairly easy to turn me on after a week, and my gaze drifts unerringly to the sex parts without alot of control. The aggressive/bizaar thing is normal I think. Sex energy is damn primal - and it isn't easy to call "average" or "the norm" when sexual lusting is high. But if your planning on going pile driving, I suggest you don't forget your hard hat, and if the decibels are too loud you'll want to put in ear plugs. Haha! Sorry, that was some really lame humor.

Hi Cat! What do you mean by this? I'm totally curious, I would love to learn this about myself as well. Also, Is it possible to help someone learn the different positive feelings via "transmission/energy"?

Thumbs up! Appreciate it, the only reason I had to ask was becuase the website was so cheesy, I couldn't wrap my head around it.

To start please drop suggestions for Japanease and Russian tea. I'd love to be able to make a awesome cup of Japanease and Russian tea for guests and myself!

Lets talk about the healing sounds a bit, I've seen a few variations so I wonder if the healing sounds can be subsituted for other sounds or whatnot. Anyhow this is what i've found: Fear is stored in the lungs. The lung sound transforms fear into courage -Lung sound: Place your tongue behind your closed teeth and, with a long slow exhalation, made the lung sound "SSSSSSSSSSSS" (like the sound of steam from a radiator). (White light) The kidneys sound transform the emotional energy inside the kidneys into gentleness and generosity. Kidney sound: Form an "O" with your lips as if preparing to blow out a candle. With a long, slow exhalation produce the sound "WOOOOOOOO." (blue light) The liver sound transforms the emotional energy inside the liver into kindness -Liver sound: Place the tongue near the palate and, with a long, slow exhalation produce the sound "SHHHHHHHHHH." (Green light) Heart sound: With the mouth wide open, exhale a deep breath slowly and produce the sound "HAWWWWWWWW."(Red light) Spleen sound: While moving the hands under the ribs, place the tongue near the palate, and with a long, slow exhalation, produce the sound "WHOOOOOOOO" from the throat, like the sound of an owl.(Yellow) Is this information correct?

I saw this quote from DM above: (just a snip) Sounds like a good firs step, is this where holding attention to the dan tien comes into play until it happens? I say it that way becuase I don't have enough experience to build up energy purposefully. Practice is what I require!

Sounds like a deeper layer of junk! Cool that you found it, and good luck healing it, man. (It sounds gross)

Funny, I was using secret smile during spin class and near the end of the 1-1/2 hour class I had this feeling hit me (After feeling superb the whole workout) and it said: empty Lol. I had to workout several hours later again. I'm tired but wired at the same time. Its a wierd feeling.

That is alot of positive replies, wow. Kate, Thanks for the recsource, I'll check it out when I get a chance, also a song that has to do with overcoming is "Prayer" by Disturbed, its just rockin. ~jK~, True, I may be able to use that route once I hit the states again, although there is no telling if I'll have the time! Standing on my own two feet is my ultimate goal, and even if I didn't notice that I was making improvement it does seem to be that way. Heh! That's just the way things are I suppose. Takes a bit o-time to find the right person that can help. The right people seem to just arrive sometimes too. It is interesting. Although, creating more confidence before asking a professional and paying him will be my first step, if I take that route. There are times that some might decide to take advantage of someone green like myself. Also, that Golden Flower (from what i've read so far) is interesting, reads like the bible though, a bit awkward but I haven't hit the big techniques yet. Thanks jK! Shaktimama, I didn't know that energy flow caused those effects! Very cool, then i've even had success trying some qigon in the past that caused me to giggle/laugh. I thought I was nutso or something. Ha! Anyhow, I'll keep going and import those feelings I have difficulty with using a character from a book or show, then. Easy day (I hope) Very cool.. I feel very hopeful after all these positive comments and suggestions.

I want to learn PSD too, sometimes I wake up feeling like a truck ran over me and am bombarded by negetive thoughts. It can take up to an hour for me to take control.. It is like "living/swimming" in the moment and not realizing just how negetive these thoughts are until something "clicks" even then it can be mind-strain to get back to normal, then comes the smile and working to improve the mood to optimum level. Its wonderful to read everyone's responses, at least I find it to be motivational.

Thanks guys! I'll give the acu a shot and add some breathing of different colored light too. I can't do the healing sounds at my current residence, but i'll try it when I move. I suppose it should be fine to use some of each color each time I meditate, it can't hurt?