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I'll have to really focus, sometimes its like a large wave at the beach and all I can do is ride it out, sometimes I get squashed in the wave. I felt that this meant there is TONS of crap to heal but more time in meditation is needed to know for sure.

So it either doesn't work at all - causes brain damage - or increases orgasms? What the hell? Lol - I don't know which article or word to take anymore.

If you may, thoughts and comments on these experiences would be greatly appreciated, please stop by and throw in your two pence so that I will perhaps better understand what is going on here. During the end of my practice of Yoga Nidra, when I am only keeping awareness on the silence in my chest I noticed a scrunching feeling, as though conciousness was sucking into that spot(I felt as though I was entering into the space or shrinking), along with some blurry imagery that couldn't be made out. Anyhow, my entire body became fuzzy, as if static electricity was filling up my pores. It was most intense in the palms, BTW. Anyhow, then began a feeling akin to peeling a banana or movement from the physical mass of the body into the space above me. As the feeling increase another feeling, as if I was being raised up occured, and an image started to appear in my mind's eye. Foolishly I opened my eyes at this moment to "get a better look" and lost the image and the sensations started to fade. My legs felt very cool after this experience and a pleasant tingle was intermittantly moving in my body. It reminds me of last week, after meditating at the end of the day I went to bed and almost the exact same experience happened, but without imagery and the "lifting" sensations started while I was half-asleep and in this dream "running" towards a door. There is a tendency for the min to become exicited during experiences like this, and I have enough lucidity to repeat the mantra "I'm not afraid" since these things are often sudden and fairly freaky at times. Thanks everyone.

I hope your enjoying China. **'Savasana'** **'The Secret of the Golden Flower'** **You will need to confront your dreams and analyze them untill you understand them whereas at that point they will no longer return. ** (Dreams are our mind's language it uses in an effort to use the subconscious minds methods of trying to understand conscious realities. It takes a between 100 days and 6 months to complete.) The completed process will heal yourself of pysche issues and balance your energy and mind. It will free you to become your true self as well as to know yourself. If you can continue - e-mail me. __________________________________________________ I will continue to email you. I am not in Hawaii but if possible will search for teachers of Savasana in the states and will also look into the Golden Flower. Thank you very much for the help. Are nightmares probably the most information filled dreams that a person can confront? I would think that any dream that inspires fear or depression would be a good place to start if I want to understand. You may not be able to travel but you did alot of teaching just now. I appreciate it. It doesn't seem possible to send you PM's, that's alright. I would like to continue this discourse here if you don't mind, but perhaps you have another idea. Please just let me know.

That's fine. Although, if this is the case why post at all? Are you insinuating that you may teach me something useful if you come to know me? Well, I've been meditating since my late teens, and have had much experience with a few higher level entities and divine humor. Although the love part was the best. I just wish to more fully fin the personal power and freedom to explore the spiritual realities, so that I may gain insight into *How all this works* and learn more about myself as a human and spiritual being. I'm an explorer and experimentor, a husband and a deployed Sailor. My intellectual understanding of spiritual matters is small compared to the experiences i've been through, but only becuase I take the bare amount needed to work a technique and throw away any useless information I come across as I find that I need very flexable beliefs (or beliefs that may be thrown away) to work in such an interesting and very needed field! My first goal is to heal myself of pysche issues and balance my energy and mind. I don't mind going down the less traveled routes though, it is enjoyable to experiment and learn new ways, or even to blaze my own. - Peace!

It sounds as though this sort of transfer would have beneficial effects on the energy-body. Or even bring the practictioner some proficiency in working with the chakras directly. Thank you for the warning, although I will definetly have to use the experience to help me relate what is going on or to help me direct future sessions. Maybe next time I can go for the lower Dan Tian then? Supposedly putting out information on doing such things has some sort of real use in cultivation so it will be fun to see if moving conciousness in that matter really makes a difference in my energy and everyday life. Thanks! Edit for reply to WallaMike: Thanks bro, I want to keep my expectations of what might happen at zip and zero so anything can happen. I enjoy experiences and it normally proves that "something" is happening which just acts as an indicator of progress I think. Hopefully I can find one single HOUR of quiet time in my room where my roomates don't disturb me as I meditate. Thanks for the info - It does remind me of what I have read about OBE as well, but I rarely see indications of what an OBE has to do with energy cultivation or chi - and I wish I knew more.

The following worked for me, and so I'll suggest it for you. Pretend that a rope is attached to the feeling, recreate the feeling and "follow" it to the source, and don't stop tell you get home. Good luck.

I am no expert on out of body projection, but depending on which you do it has seemed easy to me. Making small projections that don't require much energy, easy - and the bodies created through this sort of projection can be allowed to dissapate (From experience) and it is easy to make many, many continous projections this way. I was also taught how to send out multiple projections at once like this. It really is confusing, becuase the sensory input from more than a single projection is.. Well a bit confusion at first. Also, being able to project is useful for learning more about how "all this" works *Waves his arms about* I suggest traveling to your Higher Self for some fun learning. I enjoyed it anyhow.

When my energy was strongest and most noticable I was on a diet of my mothers homecooked meals and everychance I got I stuffed myself with Stuffed crust Pizza. During this time, even the teachers at my high school jumped when I walked by them. only one ever stopped me to ask what the feeling was. I also serviced myself as often as I wanted, was a computer geek and a book nerd. I just happened to meditate alot and breath as to pull in energy during my walks to work and back home, I meditated on my futon at least once a day - and worked on various techniques shown to me by a friend and practiced building energy between my hands. The only difference I can think of is that enough meat (like anything else) made it too hard to meditate becuase my stomach was spending so much energy in digestion. I really think that it comes down to a persons natural tendency towards certain foods, and the amount that they bother to do actual practice. Edit: Astral, The human condition is not pathetic.

Its such BS, the top chaplain in Afghanistan told troops to "Kill terrorists for Jesus" or some numbskull crap. Then you have the people punishing their subordinates for not being "Christian"? Must be the Army, I have yet to see such stipulations in the Navy.

It may be a side effect of your practice or it may be the effect of your practice; attracting some spirit/entity nearby(or one that feels your near to a level to "hear" it). If this helps you at all I'll just mention that the feeling of spirits and alive astral projectors often has felt the way you describe. Good luck.

I am humbled and thankful for the women in my life. Although I will continue to terrorize my younger sisters, its my job as the older brother.

SFJane- Thanks for the awesome post, I miss the days I could spend in meditation, learning how to go inside and feel and understand. Something you posted made alot of sense to me. During meditation I've experienced times when the inner chatter is like "me" in the middle of a mass of people all talking about different crap, it is so loud! I like those quiet moments better, and hope to be able to regroup in the silence when I've had enough practice. I'm still on the first breathing practice in BK Frantzis first water method book. Awesome post, thanks again.

Very cool. Healing chi!

Go in as an officer.

It's situational, but generalized and sweeping subject matter from channelings is something I avoid. What is fun is the information that can be imparted via entity, and I feel that is what can make it important.

In Glenn Morris' books he mentions certain types of spirits that protect and teach when initiated into a certain lineage. You can come into contact with those spirits that most closely associate with you by continous practice and diligence. Its easy. You just keep going. For me, I suppose some past life connection made itself known and started working with me, and as far as spirits are concerned one spirit wolf that came about in a dream tends to follow me, or leave me on my own depending on it's mood. I'd call that lineage, but I'm sure that I just have the term mixed up and someone will correct me. Ya Mu, I have a good feeling about your book, in fact I have one on order from Amazon, I just hope it isn't the one my wife called me from the states telling me that it says something about it only costing 24 dollars on the cover, and the fact that I payed about 97 on Amazon for it. *Edit for a bit of cleanining up*

On a related note I have run into one person who amassed a great deal of "ability" in the spirit and he related to me his most driving reason being that he: "Wanted to protect." The reason, or intent pushing a person forward, in my experience is quality and quantity of fuel within that person that will predict the outcome. I really wanted to learn how to heal, since my dad started showing signs that he was off his rocker when I was a young teen. Therefore I pushed myself to meditating two hours a day, and then collided with a few people much more advanced than myself(or you might call them "experienced") anyhow - even if a person's intent is "evil" (Whatever that really means) if it is strong enough I can see them making progress in this field. I have yet to run across any astral "Police." *Edit for more fun information* Past ties and natural ability also come into play, then to add a bit more.. Those who the spirit also takes an interest in progress quickly. Such as someone who *thinks* he/she has an imaginary friend until they realize that imaginary friend is actually a guiding spirit. Honestly, developing in the realm of the spiritual has so many variables i'm smahingly amazed that we try to measure outcomes and predict the how and why. I may have just wrote that last bit backwards, lol. I'd like to see more input in this thread. Even if I have to share my wierd stories to light a fire to it.

Is the small universe akin to circulating the lower centers? Ah, I just don't have the space out here to order materials, but I can modify the orbit to stay within the first three or so charkas and the related spinal area. Otherwise there hasn't been any order of strong sensations from the practice anyway, so for this guy (me) "pratice, practice, practice." I've done something like this with help simply by projecting into other dimensions, the body can be physical, and you can interact with the inhabitants and if they have the skill in projection can follow you back. Anyhow, it isn't like i'm proficient at it or else I wouldn't ask so many questions. Thx.

Okay, although it sounds like you create the majority of the energy you use inside you own body - but the energy exchanges sound really interesting. Otherwise with the Pineal gland - I have something in my ears that I can click and hum without moving my jaw - it must be a muscle or something, anyhow i'm not sue how I figured that one out so I can understand that it isn't easy to explain how to do something like fill your brain with Jing energy. Maybe Vase breathing would do the trick, I do feel bliss through out my heart and brain area when it is working well, I just need tons more practice becuase I tend to screw it up as I go. Like: I get some bliss or inner heat; which causes me to become excited and I lose concentration. Those little successes are really encouraging.

So much fun can be had from developing or "playing" with those who have a *high level of cultivation* Unfortunatly the mentally ill are capable of it too, but I suppose all that means is that all humans have the ability to figure this sort of thing out, even the simplest dude on the street corner. Although there seems to be this "test" alot of people think is required in order to learn "power" in the psy area. Although many tests are given out in the spirit, too. I've had one or two come my way... The ones I failed reflected the amount of training still required. I suppose that the feelings that reside in me reflect a more open and willingness to experiment, express, teach and learn about chi and abilities that I don't often see. At least with my Reiki teacher, and my associates there has never been a witholding of information unless there was danger involved. Such as the time I asked how I could most quickly activate Kundalini while I was stationed in a combat zone. No one was willing to help me on that one *Bad idea that* Although it was becuase there was a worry for my safety that I couldn't get help.

I like Vase Breathing! I haven't practiced in so long. I keep frustrating myself becuase sometimes it works, then I lose it again. I suppose that is the trip and pickyourself back up part of practicing alone.

Nope i gotcha, I did my best to joke back, but alas...

Does the sensation for you only exist within your skull, or also outside it between the brows? or in the forehead area?