Thunder_Gooch

Even if we only have information to 2b, that's still better than nothing. Again I would rather have the first 2 levels of a real system, than a complete but fake system. Completing what we have been given in earnest is the only way new doors are going to be opened for us. Rather than view it as a dead end, think of it as a great beginning. There is more than enough to last a person trying to live a normal western lifestyle 5-10 years.

No, like minded individuals.

Again this makes the assumption that the end goal for practice is learning neat tricks, it isn't. It's the development of a biological energetic carbon copy of your body to allow you to continue to exist as a human mind past death, as you become more developed the abilities you can manifest become exponentially more impressive, these however are not the end goal, but they also aren't something that can be removed from the equation. It isn't possible to reach this level without developing such abilities.

Cultivation of what? Inner peace? Wisdom? Nondual awareness? Compassion? It isn't any of those things, nor do those things have anything to do with energetic cultivation. Defending it. Don't be so sure on your other assumptions. The growth curve in ability is exponential doubling every level past 4, not linear. I never have understood this concept that people who cultivate wisdom, inner peace, compassion etc somehow are more spiritually developed. They are more emotionally developed and mature, that doesn't have anything to do with the development of their spirit. Imagine for a second that the spirit is an actual biological entity that must be fed energy and grown every exactly the same as a biological organism. A level 72 would be a grown man at the pinnacle of his strength and health, a level 0 would be a zygote. Lot's of emotionally mature and devolved people spend their lives dedicated to being a better person but they die at the same energetic level of development as when they were born.

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He only provides a yin field in this video, there was another video of him as well demonstrating the ability to pull an object to him unfortunately I didn't save a copy of that. None of these however use anything close to his maximum ability. Doing such demonstrations wastes his energy which must be replenished via meditation. Even then he is no where near the level his own master was, and each level past level 4 is a doubling of ability, so it is exponential not linear growth. Meaning a level 10 is double a level 9 etc. Honestly though I am not sure what you mean by.. It doesn't look like 1% of his ability. What exactly is 1% of his ability supposed to look like or not look like? Imagine a weight lifter bench pressing a 1kg weight, and you saying it doesn't look like he is just using 1% to me! What is 1% of a weight lifters ability supposed to look like? He was asked to try to ground to the wall, the wall was an insulator, he needed another person to act as a ground for a current of chi to flow through and into. Not if, he does. He did what he was asked to do, they requested he be taken to a random location to verify his abilities of site in case he had a hidden device somewhere. I believe he has said he is unable to light a standard incandescent bulb. Chi seems to be a different phenomenon normal electricity. He is at a level where a blast from him from many meters away would liquify your bones and internal organs, a direct touch could easily stop your heart. Yang chi, even though seemingly electrical in nature doesn't seem to be well suited to powering 110v AC devices however. If he forms a ball of yang chi it looks like a ball of lightning and sounds like thousands of chirping birds. The mistake in your thinking is that my only reasons for believing in the legitimacy of this practice is what I read in a book or saw on a youtube video. You discount my private experiences in training which I don't talk about in public. I don't have any blinders on. I can't make him into something he's not. He isn't an ultimate, there is no comparison to a level 50 even, as this system follows an exponential and not linear growth curve per level. He may however be qualified as an immortal in a spiritual sense. Still alive? Maybe I don't know. Results determine legitimacy. There are not many legitimate arts, nor are there many legitimate teachers. No invention, no fiction, no super powers, just reality. And learn what? Why does any of that nonsense matter at all. It leads nowhere and it accomplishes nothing. Its much more important to have a legitimate system that actually leads somewhere and a correct understanding of it's methods. I don't see it as a dead end, I see it as a great place to start. Here he is only providing a yin field for his student Jim to pass his test. Yes. It doesn't just matter it is misssion critical. Why would anyone listen to a teacher who hasn't accomplished anything? How does that even make sense? You have it backwards here. Serious cultivators aren't going to **** around with systems if they haven't been proven as doing leading to any meaningful level of development. _________________________ I will reserve judgement on Zhou and Jiang as I've seen no medical/scientific observation of either, but as for JC: _________________________ I would have continued to consolidate this post but it is at it's maximum level of quotable text.

Looking for others that care about something real and meaningful.

I am still working on rebuttals to your other replies in the locked thread, I'll post them in my PPF as soon as I can. You are welcome to plug your ears and invent all sorts of excuses on why his demonstration can't be legit. The fact remains he was stripped to a shirt, he was checked for metal with a metal detector, the head of the mindscience foundation was present, as was a medical doctor and a biophysicist, he was taken to a random hotel room for a second demo as well. Taping a single AA battery to your skin would not allow you to shock other people, I think Brian said he was an EE and can probably vouch for this even though he too has an axe to grind against mo pai. As to the weakness of his demonstrations, you do realize all of that was done with less than 1% of his total ability right? Compared to a level 50 or higher however his abilities even at their zenith still pale in comparison. As to lighting the lightbulb, he needed a ground for current to flow through into, the wall didn't work so he needed someone else to act as a ground. _________________________ To the best of my knowledge the only real forum rule here is no personal attacks. I do my best not to personally insult other people. They passed a new rule on spam, so I've tried to combine my posts as much as possible especially when it becomes a debate. If they do ban/suspend whatever basically what it will boil down to is "We don't like your point of view, so you are no longer welcome to publicly express it here." If that's the case I am fine with that, I will continue to defend what I believe to be true and continue to support it as best I can with the best evidence I know of whenever it is brought up or made an issue till my very last day on this forum.

It wasn't a documentary about mermaids. You can watch him him be stripped to a shirt, checked for metal with a metal detector and be taken to a random location by a biophysicist, a medical doctor, and the head of the mind science foundation. He never charged his students nor his patients nor accepted donations. No faith is required, you can investigate the practice yourself and see for yourself firsthand that it isn't BS.

Nungali, Bull**** no, reality yes.

I don't believe their paths will lead them to any significant level of energetic development, at least in comparison to an ascended human like someone at pai lok nen's level. That's just how I feel honestly. As to your other questions, they are loaded and I won't answer them as there is no right way to answer them. I speak my mind honestly, and I try not to personally insult others in the process, I don't have much respect for systems and paths that I don't see as meaningful or generating meaningful results via practice. I only respect paths that are able to be studied and validated under scientific and or medical observation. That's just how I am.

If there are beings that are energetically close to John Chang's level here on this forum posting it's news to me. Energetic development and cultivation are hard to quantify, so let's put it in terms of weight lifting. Say people I would consider to have cultivated themselves energetically to a significant level bench press weights in the quindecillions of kilograms, and everyone else I've ever spoken with in person or on a forum might be in the tens of miligrams. I see that wide a gap in difference of ability. Not only that that the training programs they have will never exceed lifting weights out of the milligram range by design. The commonly held view is that there are hundreds of thousands "masters" who are super advanced and can do all this awesome stuff, and I don't believe that is true at all. Even these masters at best might pump a few grams on their best of days, which is still lightyears behind an ascended being. I don't know of any other weight training programs that help people go from lifting 10 miligrams to amounts beyond a quindecillion kilograms, other than system x and a few unknown others similar to it. From my point of view at least in part this is a place to talk about lifting weights, and everyone else here is talking about how wearing a 10mg necklace charm makes them a weightlifter. I just don't see it that way, sure I mean that's cool I guess but compared to the realization of ultimate human potential it's just well... absurd... at least to me it is anyway. I am sure there are a lot of people who find happiness and inner peace or whatever else it is they find, but that's not my cup tea at all.

I sent you a pm letting you know you had a response: http://thetaobums.com/topic/32932-for-thamosh/ The original thread was closed so I couldn't post in there.

I believe you are misquoting me here. 99% of people on earth aren't cultivating much of anything and I intended this to mean energetically. Lot's of people cultivate compassion, insight, wisdom etc, energetically not so much. I think you would benefit greatly from using the ignore function: At the top of the window click on your username and drop down the list. Go to manage ignore prefs Type the username exactly as they have it listed or copy and paste. A menu may pop out so you can select the right one if you need. Choose to block all 4 options if you wish.

Before I drift off to sleep, I usually stay for long periods in trance state. Sometimes during that state I play around, not the same as lucid dreaming but still... One time I looked into the sun and had to get up in real life to use the bathroom, when I got up from the bed I had bright sunspots, even though the sun only existed in my mind.

I wouldn't use the word energy so much, most people have no more than they were born into the world with. I am repelled by newage personalities.

That perhaps cultivation isn't the issue at all, but instead the personality he is projecting.

"There's a sucker born every minute" - David Hannum "Caveat emptor" - Latin for "Let the buyer beware" If you guys aren't already painfully aware, mo pai and any other neigong lineage that people are interested in draws in the con artists and psychopaths like moths to a flame. Be real careful in who you trust, if they want money just assume it's a scam. Lots of people claim lots of things, and almost all of them are full of absolute bull****.

Any system that does anything at all will require the same amount of time dedicated to practice as mo pai.

Minimal voltage, minimal amperage and strong enough stop a mans heart, when present with a dense yin field demonstrations of telekinesis (energy over matter not mind over matter) are possible. We don't know really what it is yet, our science doesn't have a paradigm to accommodate it.

The truth is we don't know exactly what this energy is, especially yin chi. It is something our science hasn't delved into nor understands yet. Lot's of people are very uncomfortable admitting that there can be technologies we don't yet understand, and aspects of physics and chemistry we don't yet grasp. However that is exactly the case here.

I think perhaps you are only bound by the actions of your own mindstream.

All possible realities (and people therein) exist already, even though you've moved to a new location those old locations you were once in still exist and are still actively populated by mindstreams as real as yours. For instance remember 5 years ago, the BKK of 5 years ago is still there in that cafe having mint mocha and biscotti (or whatever), and that experience is being lived by a mindstream just as real as your own. The same goes for each choice and path you could have made in life. All are populated by mindstreams as real as your own. So in that sense the people you know that died are still living, it's hard to say in regards to the actual mindstreams however as you interact with infinite numbers of them as time for you progresses.

I've never met a level 72, but I would assume that the rules of the game no longer apply at that point. Kind of going from being a customer at a casino, to the owner of a casino.