Thunder_Gooch

Huge post here, I'll work on it bit by bit. You assume I am trying to convince you, I am not. I am just stating what is. If you disagree you disagree. I could not possibly care less what you practice or believe about cultivation.

I think you understood correctly the first time. Trance is trance is trance is trance, you can go read the Webster's definition I provided. Trance is the state you have to be in first, the prerequisite to beginning meditation. That is where focus (one pointed concentration) comes into play. Focus in a normal waking state of consciousness is absolutely worthless.

My definition of trance does not include laser like focus. A profoundly deep state of trance IS the state you absolutely have to be in to attempt the meditation, and that is where the focus comes in. If you have focus (one pointed concentration) but are not deep into the trance state it is worthless. If you have a better word for the state in between waking and sleeping other than trance I'd be interested in knowing what it is.

You either care about what was taught or you don't. Getting into a profoundly deep state of trance is the key you and virtually everyone else on this forum neglect. Too much effort I guess, I am not really sure. Next is metabolic suspended animation. Then comes being physically/electrically grounded to the earth at the perineum point. Then comes focus as you mentioned. Then comes full or half lotus. I come off as such an ******* because I actually give a **** about keeping this knowledge pure and true.

Yes full lotus is optimal, half lotus is suboptimal. The point is moot if you do not meet the other criteria in meditation however. You can't sit on full lotus on the toilet and visualize unicorns and expect it to have any effect.

Yes you need that as well, but it's only part of the equation, being physically grounded to the earth, and in a profoundly deep state trance and metabolic suspended animation are also parts. You guys keep plugging your ears to this though I am not sure why exactly.

This is why I don't take you seriously.

Ish, I use my massage chair to help me get into the zone. I also use a blindfold, melatonin, magnesium, L-Theanine, and a meditation mp3 to help induce the trance state. It takes many many hours to get deep enough for any meaningful meditation. It is conducive for trance but not sleep. I cannot sit in half lotus long enough to hit the zone I need to be in for optimal meditation. I can sit for 10 hours in the massage chair without much discomfort. It can take 10 hours for me to get deep enough in trance to have any meaningful meditation at all. Once I am in the zone, I can transfer to half lotus for 30 minutes or so before returning to the massage chair. It's the best solution I've been able to come up with.

Funnier than meditating without knowing what state you are supposed to be in during the meditation?

Because it is optimal for inducing trance imho, it is very comfortable but not so comfortable you can fall asleep. I also use a blindfold, melatonin, magnesium, L-Theanine, and a meditation mp3 to help induce the trance state.

I have a massage chair with a grounding wire dedicated to this purpose, comfortable enough to get deep into trance, not comfortable enough to go to sleep. Once I hit deep levels of trance for a few hours, I might switch to half lotus for 30-45 minutes on the grounding wire and then return to the massage chair.

Ending rebirth is the end goal, and so far mo pai is the only school I know of that claims to offer a method to that end. If there are others that have such methods they are lost on me, a secret method of Phowa that deals with transference of mind to a new body before death is the only other method I've heard of and it is not taught anywhere that I am aware of.

Maybe assuming you were in the optimal depth of trance and had master level focus. Otherwise it's a moot point.

I am sure that full lotus is optimal, but a profoundly deep state of trance makes a lot more difference to how fast you progress. Just sitting full lotus itself does absolutely nothing, you must be in the correct state of consciousness with laser like focus while in a state of metabolic suspended animation for long periods of time.

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Not safe for work or life:

I was wondering if we had any bums from New Zealand.

I've been hearing a lot about this herb, some saying it is much more potent than Ginseng, then today I find this: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130618125112.htm