Thunder_Gooch

I am sure they have racist body builders who can bench press a Buick, them being racist or not racist doesn't have a lot to do with their diet, and exercise regimen. What I am talking about is beings who developed their spirit as though it was an energetic biological fetus and raised it to adulthood, the end result being a fully ground and adult energetic carbon copy of their body, completely developed. No matter how racist, evil or anything else they may be, it has nothing to do with how developed their spirit is or is not.

What you think is spirituality is not. Being at peace has nothing to do with your spirit. Equanimity has nothing to do with your spirit. Wisdom has nothing to do with your spirit. Compassion has nothing to do with your spirit. You could be worse than Hitler, worse than Genghis Khan, and still be more spiritually developed than Mother Theresa or the Dali Lama, if you you were training in a legitimate method like mo pai, and were able to dedicate your entire life to it. Caterpillars turn into butterflies, but working in soup kitchens isn't a requirement for that metamorphosis.

Developing your spirit has nothing to do with your character.

I am more interested in abilities that can be quantified, lowering electrical skin resistant, and eeg readouts don't do much for me personally. Wim Hof's abilities are much more interesting.

As powerful as JC is, the higher ups pulled rank. That's why he's no longer teaching. That's why all Caucasians were expelled. At least we have the evidence we do, so don't try to downplay it as if it's insignificant.

It's not like he didn't want to, he did the best he could.

No Aeran, he stepped up to the plate, was stripped to a shirt, checked with a metal detector, and taken to a random location by the head of mind science foundation, a medical doctor and a biophysicist. He certainly was an exception, he has real ability and he demonstrated it for us.

That's a big part of it, but the other part of it is there are no qualified candidates who are willing to step up to the bat to prove it. JC was an exception. Wim Hof is an exception.

You are of course correct, there is only only chi. However there are an astronomical number of idiots who think they are more powerful than JC. These people would never be able to demonstrate abilities, because they have none to demonstrate. When I talk about "Real" Chi I am talking about demonstrations from masters like JC.

If you guys want to prove this scientifically you'll need a being at JC's level or beyond. A bunch of people staring at goats isn't going to help matters.

Real chi is not one of those things, it can and has been measured/quantified/documented by science.

I'm a glutton for punishment.

I want to break free of the cycle of death and rebirth.

All you need to do is look around and see for yourself. Ever heard of anyone reaching another level via Chia's system? Me neither. Ever seen any type of scientific or medical validation from Chia or his teachers? Me neither. Isn't nearly as complicated as you make it out to be. We can do this here or in the community challenge thread. YOUR CALL. http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/

Use your eyes. This isn't rocket surgery Aeran. I know you are, there is a thread specifically for that purpose. Eventually somewhere around page 25 or so I would assume this thread is going to get, split, pitted, and or locked at which point the argument/debate will automatically be continued in the community challenge thread anyway. Continuing it here or in the community challenge thread makes no difference, but it would annoy everyone else a lot less over there. So again: http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/ Not going to happen.

I'll defend myself for as long as is necessary, I just invited the rest of the hecklers to do it in a thread specifically designed for that purpose. I can't force them to use it.

We can discuss whatever you like in the community challenge thread, it's there you so anti-mopai fanatics can rant, rave, argue, defecate, urinate, or whatever else you guys want to do till it's all out of your system. http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/ Anyone can see for themselves:

What?

Sounds like most peoples type of school.

Aeran, There is a thread specifically where you can argue to your hearts content without disturbing existing threads. http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/ Again I suggest we continue there, rather than continue to derail this thread. Your call. __________________________ Let's recap. You said: In response I said: To which you said: __________________________ That's what the community challenge thread is for, let's get this nonsense out of your system once and for all. Playing these games is getting beyond old with you. Let's use Mantak Chia as an example. Do I have proof his system doesn't lead to anything meaningful? No, I don't. I do however have communities filled with thousands of people who have gained nothing from their practice, except less bookshelf space and a lighter wallet. It doesn't go anywhere or do anything as far as I can tell. Same goes for virtually everything else. Just more made up garbage that doesn't do anything at all. You either want something real or you don't Aeran, stop wasting my time with these games and move on with your life. __________________________ Copper and magnet bracelets help many people via placebo effect. It's a crutch. Some people want something real, not more make believe nonsense. __________________________ The argument/debate will continue till you've had your fill and moved on. We can do it here in this thread till it's locked/split/pitted or we can move it over to the community challenge thread which was designed specifically for it. The only advantage I can see is that this thread might be split and or locked as a result, if that's the result you are looking for. Your call. http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/

correct me if I am wrong but wasn't this with the aid of a negative ion generator?

Schools that lead nowhere and do nothing. Spiritual development has absolutely nothing to do with your character.

Let's not play coy Aeran. You are trying to spin the situation. Let's stop playing these games friend. The head of the mind science foundation, a biophysicist and a medical doctor were present, he was stripped to a shirt and checked for metal and taken to a random location to give a demo of his ability. You can plug your ears, close your eyes and scream "neener neener neener, I'm not listening" all day everyday and it won't change the reality of the situation one bit. There are also many published studies on tummo, which validate it. You don't need a spiritual practice to be a better or healthier person. Again I created this thread specifically so you guys can get it out of your system without derailing threads: http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/

We disagree on what makes something high level. If you'd like to discuss why I feel this way further there is a thread for that: http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/

The head of the mind science foundation, a biophysicist and a medical doctor were present, he was stripped to a shirt and checked for metal and taken to a random location to give a demo of his ability. You can plug your ears, close your eyes and scream "neener neener neener, I'm not listening" all day everyday and it won't change the reality of the situation one bit. There are also many published studies on tummo, which validate it. You don't need a spiritual practice to be a better or healthier person. Again I created this thread specifically so you guys can get it out of your system without derailing threads: http://thetaobums.com/topic/33037-community-challenge/ It exists for a reason.