Thunder_Gooch

Edit: yes I am retarded I misspelled spiritual lol sorry There was a thread over neigong lately, but most of the books and teachers recommended revolved around physical training and not meditation. I thought maybe it would be a good idea to start a discussion about schools which revolve around more spiritual neigong systems that deal primarily with mediation and physical exercises to work with chi. Here are the ones I am aware of: 1. Mo pai (closed to westerners) 2. Longmen pai http://www.dao-de.org/ http://laoziacademy.us/ and http://www.longmenpai.com/forum/forum.php 3. Bak Fu Pai (sunn ye gong)(72 level neigong system) (sifu Gary) http://www.wbbm.se/ 4. Dr. Jerry Allen Johnson (zheng yi pai) http://daoistmagic.com/ (his neigong manual hasn't been released yet)

It's a real thing, just like radiowaves are a real thing.

One thing I wanted to ramble on about some more that WillingToListen may not understand exactly what I am saying. I do not know ultimately if the world we are in is a simulation or not, I lean towards it may be, but I don't know for certain. What I do know is that all we experience via our senses occurs inside our brains as energy and information inside our neural networks, sort of like an organic network our cells use to communicate and coordinate. This chatter on their internet is our experience of self and reality. When you observe an object what you see directly occurs inside your mind, not outside of it. Say you are watching a TV that has a camera connected outside your house, you aren't actually looking outside your house you are staring at a TV. If the wire to the camera is cut the TV will go blank. If you cut the optic nerves to your eyes the mental TV you are watching will also go blank. What you observe is the inside of your own mind, as it creates a simulation, a recreation of reality external to you. I hope this makes sense. I am not claiming we do or do not live in a real or simulated universe, only that all perception is an internal phenomenon.

http://www.transcend.ws/has-james-gates-discovered-computer-code-in-string-theory-equations-welcome-to-the-matrix/ Dr. S. James Gates, Jr., a theoretical physicist, the John S. Toll Professor of Physics at the University of Maryland, and the Director of The Center for String & Particle Theory, is reporting that certain string theory, super-symmetrical equations, which describe the fundamental nature of the Universe and reality, contain embedded computer codes.

http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Universe-Quantum-Computer-Scientist/dp/0099455374/ Lloyd, a professor at MIT, works in the vanguard of research in quantum computing: using the quantum mechanical properties of atoms as a computer. He contends that the universe itself is one big quantum computer producing what we see around us, and ourselves, as it runs a cosmic program. According to Lloyd, once we understand the laws of physics completely, we will be able to use small-scale quantum computing to understand the universe completely as well. In his scenario, the universe is processing information. The second law of thermodynamics (disorder increases) is all about information, and Lloyd spends much of the book explaining how quantum processes convey information. The creation of the universe itself involved information processing: random fluctuations in the quantum foam, like a random number generator in a computer program, produced higher-density areas, then matter, stars, galaxies and life. Lloyd's hypothesis bears important implications for the red-hot evolution–versus–intelligent design debate, since he argues that divine intervention isn't necessary to produce complexity and life. Unfortunately, he rushes through what should be the climax of his argument.

All physical matter in the universe was born (ultimately) from the void, empty space. When strong enough quantum vacuum fluctuations arise spontaneously, they cause the void to separate into matter and antimatter in equal amounts. In essence there is no ultimate building block of matter, just the emptiness, the void. Everything is quite literally spun out of nothingness. If this is hard to grasp, imagine that to make a coin it must be first stamped from a sheet of metal leaving behind a hole. The sheet of metal in this case was empty space. You might also think about it like this. If you dig a hole in the ground you will have a hole and pile of dirt. If you fill the hole with the dirt again, you'll be left with what you started. Empty space is really as full, and as pregnant with being as anything in our universe can be. It is more real than physical matter even. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation Hawking says that at the event horizon of a black hole or singularity the gravitational field is so strong it rips apart the virtual particle pairs of empty space, and sucks in an antimatter particle and emits a particle. The antimatter reacts with the matter inside the black hole and this causes the black hole to slowly evaporate over aeons, and reseeds the universe with matter. The matter that was in the black hole was not destroyed but instead turned back into virtual particles which is what empty space is, an infinite ocean of virtual particles.

Your sarcasm doesn't change the reality of the situation. What you experience, does in fact occur inside your own mind (your neural networks) as energy and information. The computer screen you are looking at occurs inside your own mind as energy and information. You can be sarcastic all you like, it doesn't change this fact.

Let's pretend that one day many centuries from now that scientists prove our universe is a computer simulation, if proof of such became commonly known would it change how you felt about your mother and father? If they are/were still alive would you chop off their heads and do obscene things to their dead bodies just because you could? Would them being a small subroutine inside a larger program make their experience of reality any less meaningful than your experience? These are moral issues you'll personally have to struggle with, I personally believe that your actions in this life are what navigate you through a multiverse each moment you are alive you navigate between an infinite number of possible future worlds equally as real, spreading pain and suffering will act to navigate you towards a world in which you suffer the fruits of your actions. All possible outcomes too all possible events have already occurred and exist in a superposition which you view via your choices while navigating between them.

That's not what I am saying, I am afraid you missed the whole point. None of us exist, each atom in our bodies is replaced every so many years, this is true, we are just patterns of energy and information inside our neural networks, but should confronting such an obvious and self evident truth mean we should cause suffering, pain and loss to the environment we are apart of? We each develop our own moral codes, I view all life on earth as one, and don't seek to cause more harm and suffering than is necessary.

I think you misunderstood. Right now you believe yourself to be looking at a computer monitor, you are not. You are looking at the inside of your own mind, your own internal mental processes. This computer monitor you experience has no actual existence independent of your own mind and occurs purely inside your own mind. If you watch a football game on live television, you aren't actually watching the game itself, you are not there in the stadium. You are watching a digital recreation, a simulation, an approximation of the football game. There is a famous painting by Magritte called the treachery of images. It says this is not a pipe, it is a painting of a pipe, a representation of a pipe, but not a pipe itself. Do you see the difference between a representation of something and the thing itself? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map%E2%80%93territory_relation Korzybski remarked that the map is not the territory. What you see and experience has no more reality to it than the football game you watch on television. You look at it and are so convinced that it, itself is reality, it is not. The Mahayana Buddhists compare the mind to a mirror that reflects reality, we stare only at the mirror and believe the reflections to be reality. Plato's allegory of the cave also alludes to this, the men are chained to the wall and believe the shadows they see to be reality, till one day a man breaks free and sees the world outside for himself. What you see an experience is nothing more than a reflection of reality your mind generates, it itself is not real or tangible, it is just energy and information inside your neural networks, a synthetic reality created by your brain to make sense of your environment. Don't mistake the map for the territory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXmzcroUmdU

God isn't real, but only in the same sense that you are not real. From the perspective of one of your cells you are a god, yet you have no existence independent of those same cells. Each one of your cells is an individually intelligent being, they work together as a society, and their interactions, their telecommunications across an organic Internet (your brain and nervous system) give rise to your consciousness, you are the collective voice of trillions of beings working together as a society, yet you believe yourself to be one thing, you are nothing more than energy and information being exchanged in your neural networks, the world you see and experience exists only inside your own mind as a simulation made of energy and information, the body you feel, the air you breathe, the sights you see all of that occurs only inside your own mind as energy and information. We too give rise to such an consciousness via our interconnectedness, our telecommunications and internet. You quite literally are a cell inside the body of God. "I am the vine; you are the branches." John 15:5 It's a forest for the trees thing, you scream there is no God, yet you've been looking at God your whole life, it's the system and environment you are apart of.

Being in the state between waking and sleeping for long periods of time isn't going to hurt or cause anyone problems. People with Schizophrenia might have bad reactions to it, but they don't need to be pursuing any form of meditation to begin with.

A deep state of trance is absolutely critical to my personal practice, I must be in such a state to even begin my meditation.

Lovecraft quote is my sig, and has nothing to do with this discussion.

Blanket statements such as "meditation does this" are really ignorant. (for clarity I am saying such a statement itself is ignorant, not any person here) There is no one form of meditation. There are literally thousands maybe hundreds of thousands of forms of meditation each with different states and goals. A profoundly deep state of trance is used in many schools/sects during their meditation. Some schools/sects intensely focus on the present moment, and do not enter into a trance. Some sects/schools which demonstrate the most interesting results from their practice utilize the trance state to it's fullest.

I was all excited he was going to make a FU to remove heat from my CPU so I could overclock it faster, he already had FU's to keep power supplies from exploding.

If I want to learn to build a house, I would apprentice under a master architect and carpenter. who's work I liked. If I wanted to become a mechanic, I'd apprentice under a competent mechanic. You are reading too much into it.

I don't think 528 Hz DNA activation music will help induce trance teknix. Maybe you didn't post this sarcastically, if so accept my apologies.