Thunder_Gooch

Being spiritual doesn't necessarily mean you want to stop being reborn.

Nikolai1, I want a companion who shares my goals, and walks my path with me, not a cheerleader to cheer me on. I've tried it over and over and over and over and over and over, and I am not interested in trying it again. Being in a relationship with someone you can't even relate to, it is so empty and meaningless. For me it was like being in a relationship with an empty soulless doll, an automaton. I have no desire to keep repeating history, I'll either find a woman who shares my dreams or I'll die alone. It's as simple as that.

So what's your game plan to end rebirth, what practices are you doing? er... I guess you were talking about your wife and not yourself. What is her game plan to end rebirth then?

I think tulku is right here in this case, but not by much. It's just that there are virtually no women at all that care about ending rebirth, and very very very very very very very few men that care about it. In our modern society we have TV, movies, Netflix, video games, sex, work, lots of wonderful cuisine and exquisite wines. This world is filled with endless wonderful distractions! Our goal is to have more wonderful distractions, less thinking about death and rebirth.

I've searched the spiritual communities for a companion for a long time, most "spiritual" women I've met are into reiki, wicca, paganism, vipassana and various other newage practices and beliefs. I've never in my life met or even heard of a female that feels strongly about never being reborn again. I've never heard of one that says, THIS IS BS, I didn't ask to be here, and I sure as **** don't want to go through another round of this BS. That's just not really a feminine trait, and I've never met a female who thinks like that. Mostly it's newage, pagan, slightly buddhist maybe kinda hodge podge of stuff. Not that guys are any better mind you, I've only met 2 or 3 serious male seekers in my life as well.

I agree with you that women are much more drawn to religion and belief, but those things aren't necessarily good if your goal is ending rebirth. There is no buddhist practice you can study to end rebirth, if there is it's kept secret. There are maybe a handful of schools like Mo Pai, and even if you had access to the right teachings you'd need to be rich so you could spend 50 years 10 hours each day or more focusing on training and nothing else. One in a billion might make it out of the cycle of rebirth each generation, and that is being optimistic. The rest of the people attending a 5 day vipassana retreat are just fooling themselves. Even enlightenment in the Buddhist sense as I understand it has no power to stop rebirth, it's just the realization of nonexistence of self, the experience will continue past death into a new experience. Achieving that realization during this lifetime does nothing to prevent future lives.

Seriously though, there aren't that many males pursuing this goal, maybe a few thousand people on earth total even give a crap about a goal like this, the rest are just newage retards.

Oh girls just wanna have fun...

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Seth, I humbly request if you feel the need to continue the debate, do it here in the pit: http://thetaobums.com/topic/25208-reiki-debate-continued/ I have been fairly nice to you in our PM's. If I've said something out of place here on thetaobums there should be a record of it here on this site the mods can look at. Also if a person contacts you on say facebook and tells you where you can stuff it, that's an issue for facebook staff, not thetaobums staff. For future reference. I "hate" reiki in the same sense I "hate" our energy policy. Our predominant sources of energy make no sense, when there are vastly superior alternatives available. If we used just a teeny tiny bit of our desert lands that no one lives on, we could power the entire earth including all transportation. Or we could use liquid thorium fluoride reactors (we've built them before) which produce almost no nuclear waste, have nearly unlimited dirt cheap fuel, at least 10,000+ years of fuel, and cannot under any circumstances melt down. Also the little waste that comes from a LFTR needs only be stored for 300 years, and can be used by nasa and the medical communities so it isn't waste. (oh and the reason we aren't using them? They can't be used to make weapons grade material) But what do we do? We use nuclear reactors which melt down, burn 1% of their fuel, and create massive amounts of waste as a result that has to be stored for 10,000+ years. We dig up coal and burn it releasing more radiation from radon gas than a nuclear power plant will ever. We burn coal releasing so much mercury and other toxins it makes our waters unfit to drink, and also making many fish too mercury contaminated to eat safely. We have fly ash mudslides where coal ash piles up and no where to take it. We power our cars with gasoline, and homes with gas, not caring it's a finite energy source we'll run out of soon. I don't hate fossil fuels and traditional nuclear power, I just think they are archaic, and holding us back in a big way. The sooner we grow up and move on, the sooner this world will be better for everyone. That's sort of how I feel about reiki and wicca. They are the popular things everyone does but make no sense as we have far superior alternatives. Hey Seth as I've said man, I am out the second you quit talking to or about me. You complain about trolling but you are 50% of the equation. Oh yes please by all means keep educating me. Well I thought if you and I were to argue with no end in sight, the pit was the place for it. No of course not, you are having too much fun trolling while accusing others of being the "real" trolls. Seth, I said everything I wanted to say in my very first post, the rest have just been followups when others are talking about me, to me, or asking me questions. Want me gone? Stop talking to me/about me. And I'm gone.

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I said everything I wanted to say in my first post in the thread, I am only replying to people talking to me or asking questions at this point. I am done as soon as people stop addressing me necessitating a response from me.

Seth part 4 Dear Seth. If you want to continue to argue, I again request we argue in the pit. I think that is most fair to the OP.

Seth Part 3 Glad we agree. First off it's not an analogy. I know people this retarded. If you don't like necromancy and summoning the dead, then I guess you don't have to engage in that practice. I think it's pretty retarded myself as a practice. I am allowed to say a practice is retarded. Just because you may or may not subscribe to said practice does not mean I am calling you names. Maybe not all no, but the overwhelming majority are yes. 5 years. 2 hours per day usually, but this is not enough to make significant progress. If I can devote 10 hours or more to attaining an extremely deep comatose like state of trance, which requires absolute focus and absolute relaxation and drastically reduced metabolism, then yes I can manifest some interesting effects. Direct cause and effect, stimulus and response effects. I've spoken about this before but I won't be clarifying any further here, as you'll just be saying Bull**** make a youtube video then, apply for the Randi challenge then. What I can manifest isn't ready for prime time, but has been enough to convince skeptics in my personal life. It will be some time yet.

Seth Part 2 I concur. What defines a real Magickian? It isn't misinformation. I feel I've put more effort into looking for good evidence than any other reasonable person would have. I'd be interested in seeing that information on the abilities of Reiki healers killing cancer cells. Also In vitro results don't matter nearly as much as In vivo. Which many attribute to prayer, or to copper bracelets, or to magnets, or to even healing via the insane clown posse.

Seth, My second request to you to move it to the pit if you wish to keep arguing. Over 10 personally in real life, 20+ online well enough to know, 100's of others in forums. Yes, or reasonable facsimiles like their parents garage or grandparents spare bedrooms, etc. etc. Yes (or something equally as silly), that is they will this next time if they perfect their spell. VERY. Although I am sure there are probably some upscale members in all communities. Your question is like asking how many members of the KKK are not racist. Maybe some, I dunno but probably not many. Controlling your immune system (under medical observation), thermoregulation, psychokinesis, pyrokinesis, electrogenesis, becoming a immortal spirit, or virtually anything that can be documented in a lab and might sound interesting. I am not certain. I've just never heard of A.C. having any abilities though, he sure kept it hush hush if he did. Continued in another post

Seth, First off I suggest if you want to keep arguing that we move it to the pit, as a matter of fact if these answers don't satisfy you, please create a new thread in the pit and send me a PM to discuss it further with you. 1. I know a lot of them. No magick users anywhere that I have ever even heard rumors of have developed real abilities. The most famous magick user in recent history, Aleister Crowley developed no abilities but being able to make someone trip by synching his footsteps with theirs. (supposedly) Who knows maybe somewhere someone figured out how to get a broom stick to fly, and the use the seal of Solomon to conjure demons to feast on the souls of their adversaries and raise an army of undead skeleton knights and win the lottery, and convert their parents basement into a luxury condo all in one go. I won't hold my breath though waiting to find an example of that. 2. There is no good hard (non-anecdotal) evidence anywhere to support that it does that I am aware of. Maybe there are Reiki masters who can shoot holographic quantum rainbow beams out of their fingertips, I really don't know. 3. That's just my opinion. If you like to use magick or reiki to express yourself artistically hey more power to you. 4. See list of big jackpot lottery winners. Cross compare that list with magick users living in their parents basement. See any matches? Nope me neither. See list of magick users living in their parents basement attempting to raise an undead army of skeletons, cross compare that with confirmed attacks of armies of skeletons in recent history. See any matches? Nope me neither. 5. This question doesn't actually make sense. You are assuming it is some separate practice, it isn't. Meditating while sitting on the earth, or a grounded wire is a requirement to absorb yin chi. Laugh all you want, yes I know it sounds silly. Meditate while sitting in the dirt, or meditate sit on a grounded wire if you want to absorb yin chi. Pick one. You cannot absorb yin chi in sitting on a plastic seat in an airplane, no matter if a guy who wrote 100 books says so or not. You cannot even feel yin chi directly until yin and yang chi have been fused together inside your body. 6. My main interest in thetaobums is to investigate new neigong teachers, and stay abreast in current information. 7. Yes I plan on it, when I complete my training you will be the first person I visit if you wish.

Sadly, I am not. I guess we can agree to disagree on everything else.

Of all the data I can find in pubmed's journals on reiki not one shows anything interesting at all. I am sure at least some of those hundreds of studies employed "real" reiki masters. If there is any good evidence anywhere for reiki, I am honestly unaware of it. I have heard of no magick users getting real tangible results from their practice.

Seth, Some practices get real results, others don't. If you aren't getting real results, you are playing make believe. You know playing make believe isn't so bad, I mean if you enjoy it go for it. It's like a real life LARP, except you are really really pretending to not pretend you are pretending. Sorry if my view offends you, it isn't a personal attack on you. I just dislike practices that don't get results and I think they are a waste of time and effort. I guess we can agree to disagree on that point. P.S. The wiccan story stays. The wiccans I know in real life are like newage Juggalos.

Here is reiki: Here is wim hof practicing tummo to control his immune system under medical observation: There was a study about it as well: The influence of concentration/meditation on autonomic nervous system activity and the innate immune response: a case study. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22685240 Here is reiki: Here is Wim Hof being packed in ice for over an hour using tummo to emerge steaming hot: Here is a medical observation on his cold endurance abilities: Can meditation influence the autonomic nervous system? A case report of a man immersed in crushed ice for 80 minutes. Here is a google translation from the medical center: http://translate.goo...NbF386eswXF0rsA Here is reiki: Here is a neigong master demonstrating his abilities for the head of the mind science foundation, a biophysicist and a medical doctor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoOgZsQGQpA&t=1m56s Also I have heard of no famous Magick user, even Aleister Crowley that achieved anything even slightly meaningful, ever. I have heard the extent of Crowley's abilities were to be able to make a person he was following trip by synchronizing his walk with theirs or something like that.

The point here, is that there have been vastly more studies on reiki than there have been on tummo. I know of only 4 studies done on tummo and in each case the results have been amazing. Reiki may help people emotionally, but so would giving them a hug. It doesn't generate the results other practices can, such as increasing your body temperature or controlling your immune system at will or generating a bio-electric current. Reiki's main value is in the fact it requires no effort, so it is popular with the crowd who like other practices that require no effort, wicca/magick, occult/pagan ritual, etc. It has a good entertainment value, but not much else.

Hundun, The reason no one takes Wim Hof or John Chang seriously are all the newage fruitbats practicing reiki and casting wiccan spells dancing naked around campfires in the moonlight. I am even friends with a few of these fruitbats, some who think they can raise an army of the dead using seals and sigils, they are 35+ years old and still living in their parents basement, and still haven't gotten their spells to work well enough to win the lottery. Reiki is one of those business model practices where you pay for attunements like you pay for a blackbelt after performing some stupid kata (dance). There is absolutely no effort required to become a Reiki master ™ There are thousands of reiki "masters" here in the USA, and there have been many more studies done on such practices. People like Chang and Hoff, represent real arts and what can be accomplished with some hard work and dedication. Also you do realize the head of the mind science foundation, A biophysicist, and a medical doctor were present, stripped him to a shirt and checked him for metal with a metal detector, and he was still able to demo his ability, so they took him to a random hotel room, where he powered an LED light.

You might want to try running a grounding wire to the buttplug while you meditate.

You may think it stupid I want a practice that develops abilities that manifest physically and can be studied empirically, I think it's stupid to study arts that cannot do so. I do not want to practice anything that produces only subjective results. So many people do that already and as far as I can tell they die having accomplished nothing at all. But hey if subjective results is the aim of your practice, I am not here to judge you for that decision. Each of us is here to live our own lives as we see fit.