Thunder_Gooch

I do meditate to de stress before I sleep, as a matter of fact I am completely dependant on this meditation to sleep at all. I can't sleep now, and just lay awake all night every night in bed unless I can get into a deep comatose state via breath reduction. I am open to any meditations besides metta which I do daily, I also spend a lot of time in prayer begging to not be reborn, and for help and guidance. Anything to get rid of the stress. I don't smoke pot or drink or anything to deal with stress.

I believe at death the yang spirit is scattered back to the environment as John Chang and Wang LiPing believe. The yin spirit continues but is just an unconscious dreaming mind, nothing like the person who died. It eventually reincarnates into some reality like this as a person or some other living being when a new yang spirit fuses with it, all memories of the previous life are lost. I guess if your karma called for it you would be reincarnated as a crystal dragon or whatever, but it would be a temporary state just like this life now.

I read a study in 2003 or so about Buddhist monks and their brainwaves. Their brainwaves shot up to 42Hz (gamma band) and the amplitude of their gamma waves were over 30 times higher than lay practitioners. More info on gamma here: I had the great idea to use binaural beats to try to entrain a 42Hz brainwave pattern, and did so for a few weeks. What I experienced was worse than ANY acid trip I've ever read about. I experienced having more than one body in more than one reality. It was literally like being a Quan Am buddha (the one with a thousand arms). Time as I experienced was not linear and sequential but rather solid and physical and whole and all encompassing. At each moment it branched off into other realities exactly as the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics suggests, each of which were just as real this one. It lead to my 6 dimensional theory of reality. Simplified for those who don't want to read all that: 4th Dimension. In a movie you have animation cells about 30 per second. If you stack them like a deck of cards that is sort of like what I am talking about. Birth at one end, death at the other. Think of this except there are infinite animation cells, and they are in 3D instead of 2D as one solid object instead of a deck of cards. 5th Dimension. There isn't just one future like this, there are infinite, you navigate these infinite futures via your thoughts and choices. 6th dimension. All minds are apart of one mind, just as all cells in your body are apart of you. All possible futures and realities for all possible people and other viewers are one object.

Sure I mean if I could achieve physical immortality and be a healthy superhuman forever, sure. If I could become immaterial at will, sure why not. But I doubt I will even be able to fuse my yin/yang spirits. The odds are like 1 in a billion I will. I would have a better chance of winning a $500 million dollar lottery. I'll give it my best shot though That's all any of us can do.

If I could exist as a mind as I am now, in a limbo with nothing else, forever, never being reborn I would be in my idea of heaven. The next best thing would to become a spirit which doesn't reincarnate, and continue my training.

Really it's my fault. I should have brought a translator to ask my questions for me. This wasn't his fault at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor http://johntitor.com/ Ok, so this is one of those far out things. Right up there with evil reptile beings that control the world. It's probably a hoax, it's probably fiction. But even so it makes me wonder how the @#%@# could a person be so accurate in their predictions. John Titor claimed to be a time traveler from the year 2036. He made his first post in 2000, and his last post in march of 2001. He claimed to be with the military and had just stopped over from 1975 where he picked up an IBM 5100 series computer which had the ability to translate between certain languages which was needed for legacy code in 2036, this function of the 5100 was not documented publicly until after his story became popular. He claimed we didn't live in a universe but in a multiverse in which all possible worlds and events exist just as real as any other, and that really he wasn't traveling into his worlds past, but rather a parallel reality which shared a similar history. In the year 2000, he predicted that we would be stripped of our rights, civil liberties and freedoms, eventually leading to civil war. We would spiral into a fascist police state, and before 9/11 he predicted war with Iraq and us lying about their WMD's to justify it: Some of his predictions were just too spot on, if it was a hoax it was damn good one. I hope he's wrong about what's coming next, because if he's right most of us won't live through it.

This is another realization I've had on my own independently of JT, It seems to describe yin and yang energy perfectly as I understand them.

This is a repost but I thought it might be more relevant here. When I spoke with master Wang LiPing (Longmen Pai) I was told if I wanted to end rebirth I could either cut the root of my spirit/soul ( I assume this is like a soul suicide ) or fuse my yin and yang spirits into something new.

I've invested much thought and planning into what I think is the best way proceed with my goals. Trying to work full time, pay rent, and stay stuck in the high stress rat race while simultaneously trying to meditate many hours a day isn't going to work for me. It's way too unbalancing to be cultivating and be stressed out as chi reacts to your emotions. I know this from first hand experience, I was trying to train while working and it just didn't work out at all. I need a low stress environment, I need a part time job that can cover minimal living expenses, and I need to own land and a camper and a few minor things related to a basic standard of living, before I can continue.

Just an update: John Chang is quoted here:

When I spoke with master Wang LiPing I was told if I wanted to end rebirth I could either cut the root of my spirit/soul ( I assume this is like a soul suicide ) or fuse my yin and yang spirits into something new. But I get your point here. Even though these men are giants compared almost everyone, they aren't omniscient Gods. Forever is a really long time, I don't know if even a level 72 mo pai master would continue on for eternity. If the sun engulfed the earth in flame and vaporized it, would they survive that? Does a spiritual immortal really live forever forever? I don't know. I don't really care if I live as a spirit forever, I don't care if I live forever in any sense period. I just want to be liberated from rebirth. These schools seem to be the only ones I am aware of focusing on ending rebirth as their primary goal. I don't really know of any better options at this point. I'll just do the best I can with what I have and if I fail I fail.

Well I've met a lot of people who work full time and cultivate part time, they just wind up going nowhere fast. You either make a full time commitment or you go nowhere. I guess if I really wanted to get serious I could get a tent and camp on forest service and hope I don't get caught by a game warden or DNR/FWS/TVA and live as a vagrant, squatting off the land, but I've decided there is a minimal level of comfort I am willing to accept. I want running water and electricity and camper and acre of land, that's about as minimal as I want to get. Right now I am working 2 jobs and saving every penny I can. I am at work now typing a response in between customers. It's just my way of doing things, one step at a time. If it's a trap I guess I'm trapped. It seems very pragmatic, and makes good logical sense to me.

What would that accomplish? Like going to the gym for 10 minutes twice a week, it would just a waste of time for me unless I could make a full commitment. My environment sucks so I am working to change it. Thats the number one priority right now and I'm closer than I've ever been to it.

I think most of the time spiritual seekers don't know what they want. Most schools don't promise any results. Seekers don't accomplish anything as a result. This isn't a problem at all, who cares if they enjoy the ride, it's their ride to enjoy any way they want. It's all about the ride for most people, and hey that's perfectly fine. If practicing some spiritual practice brings you enjoyment and happiness that is perfectly acceptable. However if you have a specific goal for your practice, then it only makes sense to be certain the school you are investing so much of your time into can deliver as promised. Just my $0.02

thanks. I wanna go surfing

My training is on hold because I can't devote enough time and work full time+. I have two jobs right now. Soon I should have an acre of land and a camper. There are some other basics I need after that but once in place I do plan on focusing on working only part time, college, and training full time. My environment isn't conducive to the lifestyle I want to lead so I am working my damnedest to change it. My friends bug me a lot about not going to China to retreats or whatever, I am like why would I? I am a an unworthy student at this moment in time. Why would I bother a real master in the condition I am right now. I hope to change this in the future when I can afford only to work part time.

No problem. No offense taken. I was just giving my honest motivations, feelings and emotions on the matter. It wasn't my intention to come off as a whiny girl I plan on doing the best I can with what I have no matter if I succeed or fail. My motivation for pursuing my goals is rooted in my unhappiness of the situation I am in. I try to keep my ears open for schools on par with mo pai, and teachers on par with john chang. Beings that are physically liberated from death/rebirth. A lot of people trash talk mo pai about the development of siddhi's but don't realize the end goal of mo pai is spiritual immortality. I think Darin is a great guy, I think the Max Kunlun guy is a great guy, I think almost all these people are good people. I don't think they fused their yin and yang spirits though, and I do think they are still subject to rebirth. Maybe a handful of people on earth become liberated in the sense I am seeking. I still enjoy life about as much as everyone else, but when I reflect upon the reality of the situation I am in, and really we all are in it causes me much anxiety and Dukkha. My apologies for coming off as a whiny little girl peace bro.

Make your own, I did.

Both John Chang and Wang LiPing both espouse a belief in reincarnation unless the yin and yang spirits are fused as one. The yang spirit is the active thinking mind, memory, ego, identity, etc. it is scattered back into the environment at death, the yin spirit is more like the subconcious mind and base awareness which continues on and is reincarnated. Maybe being erased and reused as some new lifeform over and over isn't a prison to most others, but it seems like something I would rather prevent if possible even if that meant just being nothing forever, eternal death, void, abyss, sleep, nonexistent etc.

I believe it's called Dukkha.

Chang has a large family if I am not mistaken, he has broken the cycle of rebirth as did his master. But yes if I thought it would get me there quicker I would turn down all the great booty calls from college chicks that I get. Right now my training is on hold as I am working full time to buy an acre of land, and can put a camper on it. After I get my living arrangements sorted, and my cost of living as low as absolutely possible, I move to the next phase which is working only part time and focusing full time on training and college. I want to get into Cisco networking and learn Norwegian and move to Norway as a CCNP. Sogndal, Norway is where my heart is.

I come up with the figure based on masters like Chang who claim to only be able to feel the presence of that many people close to or above their level. It may even be less than that.

If it ends at death that's fine with me, what concerns me so much isn't dying as it is being reborn and repeating the cycle forever. I want it to end this go round.