Thunder_Gooch

TTB is great but it's not focused solely on neigong/qigong training discussion. That's really all I'm interested in and all the noise makes it quite annoying for me at least.

Well I don't claim to be advanced, I don't even have a full LDT yet, so I still on the lowest rung of the ladder. I only want to make this forum because no one else is doing it.

But nothing on the level of John Chang/Wang Li Ping right?

Demonoid wants to protect itself from viruses, fake files, and keep the community close nit. My friends expressed concern with their systems leaking out in the public eye, they may not even share it if they join I don't know. I think it's more a concern of loosing good standing with their teachers.

It's not going to be invite only. I was merely pointing out that other sites like demonoid, and gmail had been wildly successful with that model. I was planning on asking users not to re-post information from the forum elsewhere online as a condition of their membership. I have no way to enforce that, just a simple request. Several of my friends have expressed concern over search engine spiders, indexing, and people copying their training info and re-posting it openly. Ironically I thought asking members to agree not to re-post material in the forum elsewhere might foster a more open community, where they could share information more easily.

Has Alex, himself or anyone from any of his lineages developed any abilities as a result of their training?

First rule of fight club... Well a free forum available to anyone and everyone on the condition they don't plaster any information gained there all over the internet is hardly a secret group imho. I have no way to enforce a legal nda, nor would I want to. This is just more of a courtesy request, so that hopefully all the other members will feel more comfortable sharing information. It's not like anyone will be denied entry into the "secret" club. Demonoid one of the most successful and highest quality torrent sites is invitation only. Gmail was also like this for quite some time. Both of those worked out quite well.

I agree MD. At the very least I'd like to try to build a community of people who want to learn the most effective systems and methods of energetic development, even if those methods are never found. TTB doesn't really cut it, this place is more like 4chan meets tai chi. I know how to meditate to fill a dan tein, and I know some basics of longmen pai. I know surely I can't be the only person in this world that gives a crap, surely there must be others, that's kind of my inspiration the hope that maybe I can find them and as a community with overlapping goals we all are able progress further than if we were operating individually, or so my theory goes. I don't really know if the forum will amount to anything or not, I plan on keeping registration open but not publicly accessible for search engine indexing, as well as a non-enforceable "on your honor" NDA among members.

I actually got a chuckle out of that

What's wrong with it? As if decay, pain, death, erasure of mind, memory and personality and uncertain rebirth in an indefinite, never ending cycle weren't enough? It seems to me like were falling of a cliff waiting to impact the ground, and all everyone can do is talk about how lovely the weather and scenery is today, completely ignoring the reality of the situation. There is that in thee, poor lad, which I feel too curing to my malady. Like cures like; and for this hunt, my malady becomes my most desired health. Herman Melville - Moby Dick No one ever escaped from prison by being content, and complacent with their imprisonment. Moreover I don't think you see your situation as imprisonment, you enjoy it as is your prerogative. I don't, this world has never felt real or true or meaningful to me, only some prison in which I am trapped. I love and value my life only insofar as represents the amount of time I have to train to escape this cyclic existence.

Wake up every morning and realize you are a walking sack of rotting hamburger, you are soon approaching your expiration date, and when it's all said and done, you get thrown back in the meat grinder for another round as perhaps a sausage, or hotdog, or something. Over and over. Repeat this daily realization for a few decades and you'll have me. More than death I fear rebirth, I just want out of this world and out of this cyclic existence. To me it's the ultimate cosmic joke that no one dares to talk about. It's too taboo of a subject, as is evidenced by your reactions. I'm not a sith and I don't want to harm, or control others, or cause anyone problems. I just have something I have to accomplish before my death, and I intend to give it everything I can before I die. I am driven by that, it is my sole purpose for living. I seek transcendence. Say whatever you like, judge me however you wish. We are each given our time here to use as we see fit, to live our own lives as we see fit, I am exercising that freedom and I suggest you do the same.

No I don't want to become a better human, I want to become a better spirit being. I want to become free of death and decay and rebirth. I want to leave this planet and exist for eternity in solitude somewhere I can be alone, or with like minded beings. When you say I want power, I don't want power to control or manipulate other people. I don't really much care for them. I don't want money, wealth, fame or political clout, I just want to leave this cycle of death and rebirth and this ignorant little back woods planet.

You live in some idealistic fantasy world which doesn't exist outside of your own delusions. Relationships don't work that way in the real world, and if you think they do you are grossly naive. Achieving some peaced out hippy attitude doesn't mean you've transcended your biological limitations as an organism. It doesn't mean you can exist without a body, and exist without death or decay. Were talking about two fundamentally different things that aren't even related. Morality isn't linked to transcendence in the slightest. I hate showing my ass and being bitter and cynical, but if you guys want a debate you'll have it. I'll stand my ground on this issue.

The problem here is I see no lack of honesty. I also see no dishonesty. If you sit your partner down and explain you don't want kids, you will never want kids, and she'd be better off finding another man to have kids with if that was her end goal for the relationship. You haven't lied by not stating you can't have kids. There is absolutely no scenario where the fact of your sterility would be relevant to her, unless of course there are ulterior motives at play. We can split hairs all day, but I see nothing deceptive, dishonest or immoral about not discussing such an irrelevant issue.

You do realize babies can happen when you have sex right? Yes, but thanks for the reminder. I assume that's why you got the vasectomy. Your powers of deduction astound me. If you don't want a sexual relationship then why get snipped? It's not that I don't want a sexual relationship so much as I'm not actively seeking one. Life seems easier alone. I am really not looking for anything serious unless I stumble upon someone who has the same burning passions inside that I do. Sex with some gorgeous intelligent 20's something would be totally awesome though. I probably wouldn't turn it down if was offered on a no strings basis. That however is certainly not something I am actively looking for. Onto why I got "snipped"; I had found a girl I thought was my soul mate, she claimed to share my dreams and goals in life, when we moved in together it became clear that that really wasn't the case. Talk of babies and her aversion to all methods of birth control save for withdrawl soon followed. I took matters into my own hands and had a vasectomy to insure I didn't become a father. She left before I had even had time to heal from my operation. If you don't have sex you can't be a father. Usually that's the way it works, sperm banking and artificial insemination logically invalidate this statement however. True story and semi relevant, in high-school at a party where multiple couples were having sex. I went to the bathroom to flush my condom, a girl that was infatuated with me went to the bathroom thinking I had thrown it away and mistakenly grabbed another persons condom in the garbage to try to inseminate herself with it. As far as I know no child came of it it but it's just testament to how far a woman who wants your child will go. Transcendent masters throughout history have been know for their compassion, not for their selfish deceit. Hogwash! Transcendence has absolutely nothing to do with morality or lack there of, it is purely a measure of your energetic development. You could slaughter hundreds of people, women and children in cold blood and it have no bearing whatsoever on your level of developmental. Read the magus of java page 61 if you don't believe me. If you're not in a sexual relationship and your woman would be just a training partner then why would she leave you if she found out? I'm not in any type of relationship and I'm not seeking one, sexual or otherwise. However If I found a training partner it would be nice if "she" were a young attractive and healthy female and we shared an awesome sex life. Sex isn't mission critical, though it would be a nice addition. I could deal with a non sexual relationship with a fellow male friend who feels the same calling as I do. A companion, training partner and someone who fervently shares my dreams is mostly what I would want if I were to be in a relationship even if it was just a platonic friendship. To answer your question as to why she "might" leave, is that on a biological level all women have a hardwired innate and incredibly strong drive to reproduce. I would go as far to say their drive for reproduction exceeds the sex drive of men. Whether a woman is aware of it on a conscious level or not is irrelevant, telling her you are sterile fundamentally changes the way she is going to feel about you at a subconscious level. It's never the same after that, I'd venture to guess it would be something on the level of confiding you had a heroine abuse problem many years ago but have since been sober, or that you had a schizophrenic break from reality in your early teens, but no subsequent relapses. Things like that I'd assume you wouldn't share with other people no matter how much you loved them, or at least I sure as hell wouldn't. If you feel morally obligated though to emotionally regurgitate all your skeletons onto your significant other to be absolutely sure they won't leave you as a result then have at it man.... have at it. I'd say you were pretty stupid myself but hey what do I know, I'm just some old cynical selfish bastard. I also would like to flip the question back on you, why would you tell someone you are only in a platonic friendship with your medical history as there is no valid reason for them to know. Yo ted, I just had had a colonoscopy and they cut out all these hundreds of polyps with a laser, smelled like burn't flesh and man I must have farted 100 cubic meters worth of air WOO HOO! These sort of things, you just don't share with people, well unless you are just retarded. Furthermore, your understanding of women seems to be extremely naive, narrow and limited. Funny your quaint notions of true love, and your quixotic quest for absolute love, trust and openness seem to indicate the same. My understanding comes solely from my observations, and I've observed quite a bit. How is your failing to tell a woman you're sterile any more honest than a woman who fails to tell you she stopped taking birth control? Dating a man who you know does not want kids, then consciously and deliberately becoming impregnated is absolutely pure evil, plain and simple. I can honestly say I get sick to my stomach to imagine this scenario playing out for some poor sod. There is something fundamentally sick about this. I've had the I'm having your baby card pulled on me a few times, those feelings of utter horror, entrapment and impending doom aren't something I'd wish on even my worst enemy. Sitting your loved one down and explaining in a firm and thorough manner that you never ever want children, and she needs to be with someone else if she wants them, but omitting the fact you can't have children is a non issue. You've done nothing wrong. There is absolutely nothing immoral about that. She knows you don't want kids, if your sterility would factor in it means she had ulterior motives to begin with. I honestly can't believe you are even equating these scenarios as being on the same level, they are orders of magnitude apart. I think my eye just popped out of my socket at the sheer stupidity. Please feel free to keep arguing this point ad nauseum though, it's not going to change my mind, but I am finding it highly entertaining trying to understand your crazy twisted logic and excuses on this issue. How many transcendent masters were known to be blatant hypocrites? If striving to be moral and just and then slaughtering your rival village in a raging fit of madness counts as hypocrisy, I'd say at least one that I am aware of. Morality and hypocrisy or lack thereof don't seem to factor into the transcendence equation, as it's more of a physical transformation determined only by your dedication to your training. If you want to lie and hurt women to get laid, you certainly wont be the first. Yeah that's totally not my goal at all dude. I am not even looking for any relationship whatsoever sexual or otherwise. I am a hermit, a loner, a solo act. More than anything I just like being left the hell alone. I don't want to lie to or hurt anyone, I try to be a good person in my every day life. I don't want to cause anyone problems, I just want to live my life and be left in peace. I do charity computer work for people who need it. I like helping people, and I like feeling good about myself for helping people. Mostly I live as a quiet old man, and I never go out of my hermit cave, I work all the time and I save all the money I can and right now that's my life. However I will lie, hurt or even beat the ever loving F*** out someone if circumstances warrant such action. I don't have to sit and have a moral debate on the subject. Not discussing your sterility status isn't lying, unless you claim to be fertile when your not. Just please don't try to pretend like there is any justification for it and please don't try to convince other people to do the same. I don't even know what your going off on, your arguments don't even make sense. You come across to me as some super holier than thou, self righteous, super christian, 16 year old, surfer dude. Here to impose your morals upon others who obviously don't share them. You have some romanticized idealistic notion of what true love means, what you're describing doesn't even exist in our world. Just please quit being a pussy, Jesus man. You aren't required to barf up every little irrelevant and unimportant factoid you think might possibly cause problems with your mate, all in the name of an absolute honest foundation, no body does that, and if they do they're f*****g retarded. Your stated decisions have a huge potential to emotionally damage another human being, and aren't even close to practical for keeping anything more than a short-term f**kbuddy. If a woman gets "seriously emotionally damaged" because she couldn't get pregnant by a man who sat her down and told her he never wanted kids, and she'd best find another man to have kids with if that was her goal she deserves it. A man being trapped in a loveless marriage caring for children he never wanted is far worse a fate, orders of magnitude worse. Grow up dude.

Yes my definition of neigong is internal power, chi cultivation and refinement and other energetic systems.

Dreaming, Everything has consequences, I was giving my advice on the consequences of a vasectomy. If you have a vasectomy and feel obligated to be open about it, be prepared to be unlovable by young healthy women who want children. You will most likely be limited to singles mothers with children, and post menopausal women. Maybe you will be able to find someone who can accept your sterility, but I am certain it's going to make your job of finding a mate a lot harder being open about it. It's my opinion that my sterility is my business, no one else's. Telling a female firmly that "I never want children" should in theory be sufficient, unless it's her goal to get pregnant anyway. You seem to have some moral disagreement with me on this issue, fine. I don't have any moral qualms with keeping my vasectomy a personal affair. If that makes me a selfish immoral bastard so be it. I'm still friends with the girl, but not closely. My family and my teacher are the only people I am truly close to. All of this arguing however seems to be rather moot as I personally am not looking for any type of relationship, sexual or otherwise. I highly doubt there is any female on this earth that I could truly love. I want a training partner, someone who's psyche mirrors mine. As far as I know that person doesn't exist. The whole reason I got a vasectomy to begin with was I do not ever want children, and I was forced to make a choice between sterilization and fatherhood.

Dreaming, I am just being pragmatic, realistic and sensible about the situation. This situation is this, most young healthy women who haven't had children, want them. They are more than happy to date men who don't want children because it doesn't really matter what the men want as it's the women that usually have control over reproduction. Being open about your sterility is going to limit your options severely in terms of potential mates, mostly down to women with children, and women past menopause. If you have ethical qualms with omitting your sterility status then don't have a vasectomy or be open about it and settle for older women with children or who have passed menopause. There is no sense in raking me over the coals for being brutally honest about the situation. You say I just want sex, that's not the case. I am a hermit, and I keep to myself I am not even looking for sex just to be left alone. People and women in particular just annoy the piss out of me. I really just prefer being left alone. It would be nice to find a partner who's shares the same dreams, but I'm not optimistic about finding such a person. I am just giving advice based on my experiences. I was open about my sterility and it was instant rejection both times. I won't make that mistake again, if a situation like that arises in the future. If that makes me some unethical, evil, douche-bag, player as you suggest then I guess that's what I am.

Dreaming, I don't honestly expect to find a girl who shares my dreams, I'm not sure such a creature even exists. Even if I found her I doubt I would tell her I was sterile. Telling someone firmly "I don't ever want children", is plenty of info for them to make their own decisions. If they have decided to get pregnant irregardless of your wishes they have no reason to complain later when they can't. I cannot honestly think of a valid reason why it should matter unless they are planning not to respect your wishes anyway. You say this equates to serious trust issues, but I say you are being naive and idealistic about relationships. You have some idealistic and romanticized notion of love, which as far as I can tell doesn't actually exist in this world. Wasn't it Pat Benatar that said love is a battlefield? She was right it is a battlefield. I guess what I am seeking isn't love, it's a partner who's sole purpose for living is transcendence, someone who becomes a friend/companion and shares a common purpose. I'd like that person to be a pretty girl so we could share a fun sexual relationship as well, but honestly I'd settle for non sexual relationship with a male best friend as well.

Thanks guys, I had hoped Sean would make a separate forum only for neigong/qigong training discussion. TTB is cool but too much noise for my taste, I want an environment where people are actually discussing techniques and experiences and teachers that get real results. I figured I'd give hosting a forum for that sort of environment a try and see what happened. At worst it could fail.

Yes of course, she went with me when I had it done. After that I was no longer attractive to her, I couldn't give her a child, she left before I had healed from surgery. We are still friends, she told me her body wants children and that it no longer desired me after I was sterile in not so many words.

Actually I have no interest in women. The only reason I got into a serious relationship to start off with is she claimed to share my dreams and passions which she didn't. After we moved in together the subtle talk of babies began, condoms smell bad, the pill gives me acne, just pull out it will be ok, I took matter into my own hands got a vasectomy and she was gone before I healed from the operation. Since then I've pretty much kept to myself, I am not looking for even casual sex. If it gets thrown in my face I might accept it but I am not looking for relationships of any kind. The only way I would consider a relationship is if I were certain that the female truly shared my dreams and aspirations and I've only met one other person like that and she wasn't even serious about it, it was more her telling me what I wanted to hear so she could move in with me. Chang's master slaughtered an entire village women and children included and he's further up the transcendence ladder than almost 100% of the human population. I'd say morality has very little to do with it. I am certainly not very far along, Its been three years already and I haven't even filled my LDT, but I'm trying, and when I have saved enough to buy property I plan on working part time and living only with the bare minimum for survival. That is the only reason I continue to live, the dream that maybe one day I can transcend this world.

Disclosing you don't want kids is pertinent, disclosing you can't have kids isn't. In my opinion it's a worse sin to plan to stick a man with a child he doesn't want, than it is to omit the fact you can't have kids. If a woman understands the man's wishes of not having children clearly going into the relationship she has absolutely no room to bitch when she can't get pregnant. It is an open and shut case here amigo. I'd estimate that 95% of all single, healthy, young women that haven't had children, want children. For them dating men who don't want kids isn't an issue as men aren't usually in control of reproduction. However dating a sterile man who can't provide them with children is different than only dating a man who doesn't want them. I really see no weight to any of your arguments they just don't make sense, not in a logical manner anyway, perhaps some twisted idealist romantic sense which takes place in some ideal world we don't live on.

Sorry sloppy your position may be morally righteous, but it's also pretty retarded. Try being honest about everything and see how far that gets you. Hey honey! This girl I work with has the most amazing tits, if we weren't together I'd totally tap dat! Yeah it's kinda like that. Sure it's morally the right thing to do, but it's also retarded. Speaking as a sterile male, I honestly see no reason to share any more information than "I don't want kids" with a potential partner. If that makes me a bad guy oh well. I'd rather be a sterile bad guy than a fertile good guy stuck paying child support for 18 years to some crazy bitch who wanted to trap herself a good man. Almost all my friends from high school married as a result of an unwanted pregnancy, and the ones I keep up with are miserable.

I don't see how not being able to have children is even a relevant issue to bring up, if you've already explicitly stated you don't want children. The ONLY possible reason it would make a difference is if she is planning on getting pregnant against your wishes. Can you give any other possible reason why it would matter, because I honestly can't think of one. Because it's the right thing to do? oh please man spare me the self righteous BS, I am sure there are plenty of skeletons in your closet you wouldn't share with your partner.