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I haven't had a chance to watch this through yet, but this appears to be a presentation outlining experimental results with using fMRI and EEG to measure effects of a distance healer on a remote subject, or something along those lines. Because I haven't watched it through yet, I am not sure what kind of results they found. Also not sure how sound their approach was... Edit: I just watched this through, and it is pretty interesting if you can bear with the technical details of the experimental setup, but that is not really all that much. He describes experiments with a set of 11 pairs of healer and receiver, and the healers they used were described as traditional healers from Hawaii. He said he got significant results in the fMRI measurements in these experiments. He also describes other experiments in which an EEG was used between sender and receivers who were thought to have a good connection with this sort of thing. He says he found significant correlation between the sender's alpha waves (amplitude, I think) and the receiver's alpha waves. Pretty interesting as it provides an objective way to study effects of remote healing and telepathy and that sort of thing. SSE Talks - fMRI & EEG of Distant Healing 1/4 SSE Talks - fMRI & EEG of Distant Healing 2/4 SSE Talks - fMRI & EEG of Distant Healing 3/4 SSE Talks - fMRI & EEG of Distant Healing 4/4

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Hi Ya Mu. I was just commenting from my own experience with this sort of thing with different healers, and my comments were not directed to anyone in particular. Some practitioners or methods may not be as effective at certain conditions, and no doubt results can vary from patient to patient as well, as there can be various factors at play I would think. Someone who may not be able to help with certain conditions may be able to do wonders sometimes with other conditions.

I would say that any healer or healing method is definitely not always effective, and what effectiveness they can have can vary quite a bit from person to person and condition to condition. There are no doubt many variables in this.

Hi Pai_Mei. Sure, I did point out that that feeling the qi may not be necessary to seeing results, but that the most important thing is that the healer you are seeing can get actual results for your condition. In my view, all talk of higher and lower level and most authentic and best method and all that is really of no concern at all when you go to a healer. What really matters is if the particular healer you are seeing is able to help you or not. Also, I was just mentioning just as an observation that from own direct personal experience, the two qigong healers which I found to actually be effective in helping with my condition were also able to generate quite noticeable effects when they were emitting qi. With the others who were not effective for me, it varied from not feeling really anything to feeling a little, to the one guy who could cause an electric sensation in my body around the acupuncture needle when he emitted his qi into it. The bottom line is whomever you are going to should be able to bring some noticeable results in some reasonable amount of time, and if they can't then a person should maybe discuss with the practitioner if it is worthwhile to continue that particular treatment. That's my view and experience on this sort of thing anyway.

Out of curiosity and interest I have been checking out various Chinese healers of all sorts from time to time over the years, getting them to work on whatever aches and pains and problems I had at the time. My experience is that the effectiveness and the methods employed etc,, have varied widely. I've visited Chinese healers of all kinds including herb doctors, acupuncturists, acupressure/massage practitioners, and qigong healers. I've never personally had much results with Chinese herbal remedies making any sort of real noticeable difference regarding ailments, but I have seen a little benefit from some Chinese herbal tonics. As for acupuncture and acupressure and massage methods, I personally really haven't seen any noticeable benefit for ailments from trying these other than maybe very minor improvements. It may be however that for these methods to be effective that you just have to go for sessions over a really long time, and although I went to a few of these regularly over periods of a couple of months, I never really saw any large benefit from such practices. A longer period may possibly have brought better results however. As for qigong healers, my experience is that what these people do can vary widely. Out of about six or seven different Chinese qigong healers I have spent some time with, only two seemed to have some real noticeable ability, but the others seemed to have little to no noticeable effect at all. Two of these included one who did body contact qigong combined with massage, and one who emitted qi through acupuncture needles from his finger tips in which I could feel an electric qi sensation from the needle when he emitted qi into the needle. Both of these two seemed to have no real noticeable effect on ailments. Another guy I recall came from a zhineng background, but may have had other teachers as well, emitted qi from his hands at a distance in different ways, but I could feel nothing from this, and he had no effect on my condition as well. About the same for some of the other qigong teacher/healers I tried. I could not feel any effects when they were emitting or manipulating qi, and I saw no real effect on my condition. No doubt for all the different forms of healing, the skill and experience of the practitioner you are seeing is probably an important factor as well, and some conditions will respond to one sort of treatment but not respond too well to another type of treatment. Only two qigong masters I have tried were able to emit qi in a noticeable way, one using no contact and the other using contact, and also have an improvement and noticeable effects on my condition. Based on my own experience with qigong healers then, it would seem that an effective qigong healer should probably be able to produce at least some noticeable effects in you when they are emitting and manipulating qi for you, but that may not really be a strict requirement, but I think you should see at least some noticeable improvement in one way or another either right away or after a short while. The techniques all these qigong healers used were all quite different, so people should understand that there are a lot of different methods and approaches out there, and it is not all the same. Of the two who were able to produce noticeable effects for me, the effects were undeniable when they were emitting qi, and they both were able to produce tangible results regarding my condition. Of these two, their methods of emitting and manipulating qi were also completely different, and the sensations and effects they produced on me felt completely different as well. My experience is that there are widely differing ways of using and emitting qi coming from various different traditions, and the results can be felt differently as well when being on the receiving end. So, I think finding an effective qigong healer or Chinese medicine practitioner may involve some trial and error, unless you can get some recommendations about the effectiveness of a particular practitioner from people you think are trustworthy. In my experience it is also not that uncommon for various qigong teachers/healers to state outright or let on to you that what they are doing is the 'best method' or 'highest level' or 'most authentic' practice etc., and that what other people do is inferior. My experience is that in reality this has little to do with their actual skills and what they are practicing. Maybe a possible general rule of thumb would be that the more they go on about such things, the more likely that they or what they are practicing is not so 'high level' or so effective at all. When it comes to healing, the main concern is whether a particular practitioner can help you or not.

Hi soaring crane. Various sources state the sun is supposed to be a strong source of etheric or cosmic energy, not only physical energy. From this point of view, the sun's physical cycles and activity may translate to some extent to the etheric or spiritual level, just as physical cycles of full moons and new moons, and physical positioning of planets, etc. are also supposed to have such effects. Everything is connected.

For a number of years I have noticed an interesting visual effect which can be most easily seen when I look up at a bright blue sky, but in a direction of the sky away from the bright sun, so it is not too bright. When I look up at a fairly bright blue sky this way I always see many little clear circles or spheres which appear in diameter of say roughly just a millimeter or so in my visual field, and which when observing them have a dark line-like border around them. These little circles or spheres (not at all like floaters which I also see) are constantly in motion and move at different speeds, and can move in fairly straight lines for a short distance but are usually overall moving in arcs or a wave-like motion in my visual field. If I focus on these little moving spheres for more than a few seconds they start to appear to be glowing with white light. Sometimes I will see one or more of these little spheres with very bright white light move across my visual field when I am just sitting reading or working on the computer or whatever. It is sort of like the effect of 'seeing stars' when this happens, but only one or two might drift by in my visual field, and maybe not as bright as seeing stars. The most obvious explanation is that this is just some sort of characteristic of the way the eye works, but I am wondering if anyone else sees the same sort of thing when looking up at the blue sky as described above or similar, and if so, do you see this similarly to how I see it, or differently?

We have been having a somewhat unexpected weaker and erratic solar cycle for the current solar cycle which started around 2008, but we are supposed to be somewhere in the vicinity of the maximum of the current solar cycle (solar cycle 24), or apparently so they estimate. They can't tell for sure when we hit the maximum until sometime after the fact however. Solar flares occur the most frequently at the maximum of a solar sunspot cycle, and M class or higher class solar flares cause lots of aurora borealis, which we call the northern lights up here in the northern hemisphere. Apparently it is called aurora australis or southern lights, down under. Some info on a big sun spot currently on the sun that has been affecting us recently by causing some recent large x class solar flares. This same sunspot is coming around the sun towards the earth and can start affecting us again next week. This may possibly cause some nice aurora next week again in more northern and southern regions. Giant sunspot seen making third trek across surface of the sun http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/02/28/Giant-sunspot-seen-making-third-trek-across-surface-of-the-sun/UPI-74831393614486/ and Sun unleashes monster solar flare, biggest of 2014 (They tend to overhype these things in the media ) http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/02/25/sun-unleashes-monster-solar-flare-biggest-2014/

Hi Ya Mu. I never said anything about medical qigong. As you no doubt know, 'medical qigong' is a more recent term for some modern developed qigong healing practices in China. There have however been many different long standing traditional qigong/neigong (yes, I know the term qigong is a more modern term as well) traditions which may incorporate different practices such as martial arts, meditation, and associated qi development practices, and many of these systems also include their own traditional qigong healing methods in their tradition as well. My point was just to clarify that at least two well known qigong practitioners who have demonstrated the types of qigong skill which was mentioned, are also both well respected qigong healers. In other words, they are able to use their qigong skills in various ways, not just in putting on occasional interesting demos. Your suggestion that such skills are not of any practical use overlooks that these people are able to use these same qigong skills in various other ways such as in diagnosis and healing applications, and martial arts applications. It is not really either of these two person's fault that what they do may greatly upset some people's world views, or make some people act inappropriately. Often when people's belief systems are challenged they may become very dismissive or launch uninformed and unfounded attacks and that sort of thing, as can sometimes be seen here. With that I will bow out of this conversation as it does not appear that such a topic can be discussed in a productive and respectful way in this environment.

Personally I think it would be much better if people did not denigrate systems or teachers which they really have no real knowledge of. Unless you have spent a fair bit of time with John Chang and other mo pai members and personally really got to know them and understand well what they are like as people and what they are about, then your statement really appears to have no basis. John Chang's main error that I see was allowing Lawrence Blair and a few others to visit with him and watch what he does and to allow a few people to video record some of the things that John Chang does. If John Chang had not done this, his system might well still be pretty much completely unknown in the West for the most part, and all this denigration of John Chang and his system by various people regarding what they imagine about him and his system without any real actual knowledge and experience, would not be happening. That is my view.

Hi SonOfTheGods. I know nothing about that video, but I think everyone is aware that such effects can be done using tricks. The difference here being the two qigong practitioners I have mentioned have been described to have notable qigong abilities by students and others who have spent a fair bit of time with them. This other guy whom you posted a video for is just some unknown person however. This does emphasize the seeming pointlessness of trying to discuss anything like this in a meaningful way on the internet however.

Hi rex. From what I could gather, the thigle experiences are experiences related to particular systems, and seem to be indicators when someone has achieved a fairly high level of accomplishment in those systems, from what I read anyway. Therefore that doesn't appear to me to be related at all to what I have been describing here. What I have been describing is a visual effect which I think most anyone may be able to see, as it appears to be an effect of the way our vision works, from what I can tell. Regarding your question, my dream state does not seem out of the ordinary.

Just want to try to clarify something, as the above statement may be misleading. The two most well known qigong practitioners I have seen on video demonstrating setting something on fire using qi projection were the man who is known as 'John Chang' in the west, and Jiang Feng. Both of these people were doing these demonstrations with the stated intent of demonstrating what is possible using qi externalization, to the people who were observing. If a person can project qi in that sort of way, they can also likely use this same ability in healing or in other ways as well. It is well known that John Chang ran a clinic in Indonesia for many years in which he used his qigong and acupuncture abilities for healing others, and it has been stated that he never charged for this service. Jiang Feng also currently runs a full time Chinese TCM/qigong clinic in China in which he and his associates use their qigong abilities and TCM practices for providing healing treatments for many people. Jiang Feng's special herbal treatments can be very expensive however, from what I understand.

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Hi Aeran. I described it in a lot a detail in my comments in this thread already, but the little circles appear very tiny to the eye, appearing maybe only about 1mm in diameter very roughly. What I see is not dependent on looking at the sky, as I can see the same thing when I look at a bright, light colored computer monitor screen, such as a screen with a white background. What I am referring to seems to be an effect related to the way our vision works.

Hi suninmyeyes. Thanks for the comment. Yes, what I was discussing is definitely not floaters, as that is something which appears much different than I have described. I do see those as well, as most people probably do, and they are much more obvious. Ok regarding observing this sort of thing even further. There is no doubt that some very interesting things can be seen when you observe in this way, and it does seem that the more you observe it the more you are able to notice. It seems things which are very subtle and hardly noticed become much more noticeable and you start to see a lot more details as you focus in, in this way.

Thanks to everyone who commented. It looks like a few people have noticed a similar sort of visual effect. My opinion is that this particular effect is most likely just an odd effect that is due to the way our vision works. I think this because this effect requires looking against a bright background such as the blue sky or even the bright, light colored background of a computer monitor screen, to see it clearly. It is a bit subtle at first, but once you notice it and focus in on it, it is then that you can see that the little circles are glowing white and appear to be brighter closer to their outer edges. Another interesting effect of the way our vision works is that even in a very dark room, when looking at the darkness I personally notice it is actually made up of a gazillion miniscule little black dots interspersed with a lighter color, and if you observe more closely you may see that there are other effects in their as well such as brighter points and areas and some other things can be observed in there as well, including something similar to the little circles moving around described above, but a lot more subtle in the dark.

Hi C.T. I don't view what I am referring to here as visions. I think it is most likely just an artifact of the way our vision works. What you are referring to seems to be something different.

Thanks asunthatneversets. Tibetan_Ice, yes, what you describe sounds similar. My impression is that what I am seeing is not an external phenomenon separate from me. Whether it is just a physiological effect or qi/energetically related I don't know. I am more inclined to think that what I am seeing is a physiological effect however.

Jayem, mixing sexual practices and qigong is a recipe for causing potential problems, as is messing around with concentrating and breathing in different ways in qigong and meditation. When qi is working its way through an area in which a person has had an injury, it can cause pressure and pain, but this could also be caused by qi imbalances or blockages in general, or just some other unrelated health or physical condition. My recommendation would be to stop the potentially harmful practices and find a more natural way to practice, preferably under the guidance of a teacher. Assuming you have the means, you could possibly travel to a workshop somewhere if you wanted to consult a qigong teacher, if you don't know of any good qigong teachers in your area. Have you gone for a checkup with a doctor to make sure everything is OK from that angle?

Hi ronko. I have heard of Reich and his concept of orgone. Did he describe orgone as ever being like small moving spheres dancing around?

Nungali, nice pictures!

Hi ralis. What I am referring to is not fiber-like or floaters at all. It is also not arcing or flashing lights really, but little tiny spheres which appear like a meteor shower and which have a white glow when I focus in on them.

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