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I second that. As long as you are still living and breathing you WILL experience emotions. What happens next after they arise...this is the question worth considering.

...the tremendous importance of cumulative practice. Love RobB's reply Suggestion: Take whatever practice you currently are doing and challenge yourself to due some minimum quantity of it daily for 49 days. This will cement whatever practice you are doing thoroughly in your system. Then you will know what I'm referring to. Craig

DUDE!!! It is obvious you don't see because you don't want to see. You have a simplistic and limited view and you cling to it continuously without any attempt to further your knowledge base by educated people. Wow! Do you have any idea who Jerry Alan Johnson is!! Do some research. He is a serious authority of medical qigong as well as Taoist priest. OMG. are you here merely to dumb down everyone with your constant reduction to abodominal breathing and other vast oversimplifications?? This is what I mean by disinformation. Just keep filling the forum up with your fundamentalist view formed from ...what? Oh yeah, you studied with some people and then decided that old written works in the original chinese would tell you better than living people ever could. I guess you cannot investigate Jerry A Johnson because he is a white guy, right? arrrrgggghhhh done now. have a nice day. Craig

Xi'an is nice. Check out the Moslem market. Huge open air market for all types of trinkets, curios, clothes, etc, etc. If you make it ti Xian you should find some way to get the Huashan. Highly reccomend it. skip the Terra Cotta warriors. Craig

I support suspensions of 7 days for Seth and Scotty. I support suspending Scotty for an addittional 7 days for each of the following. Scotty 2000, Scotty 3000, Scotty 4000. Clear and direct insults at the moderators. So I support an additional 28 days for Scotty as well as permanently banning all permutations of his persona. If he keeps going I support moving directly to 45 day suspension. AFter that.... I really hate banning. I would support allowing Starjumper7 to return even. I would hate to see Scotty go that way but he seems to be trying for it at the moment. Craig

Oh yeah, PETA, they are a very rational and trustworthy source for what we should or should not eat. acckkk gaggghhh kaff (sorry, hairball)

OMFG!!! Am I the only one retching at the thought of giving my body over to man made franken food. Sure, no problem, they know everything the body needs to thrive. Trust them. Better living through chemistry. arrrrrgggghhhhh. Help! Run away....

Hey No need to attack. He told the OP to disregard everyone with the exception of a few he named. Logically that means to disregard him as well...

Apech I support Stig in this. It's a question of balance. Stigs point. Things are AFU. Stig's idea. Things are AFU because of excess Yang. Actually I see it as false yang. ie, if yin is suppressed Yang will appear overpowering in comparison while Yang itself may actually deficient, the suppression of Yin makes Yang dominant, ie holding more power in comparison. If Yang were to relax the suppression of Yin this may lead to a new level of flourishing Yin AND Yang, ie a higher order energetic state in which both are stronger through allowing true nature to be expressed. Stig's points about Womens power (perceived or real) are relevant anthropologically when one seeks to understand how we arrived where we are today. IMO it has been fairly well established that women were seen as Stig has expressed it, and that Men did in fact in many societies respond to this perceived power by overcontrolling it. This includes what has become modern western society. Also, IMO, to look at the sexes in modern society and see their roles as balanced is really wrong. Just as it is wrong to view the modern world and see it as balanced. Koyaanisqatsi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sps6C9u7ras Craig

Thanks stig. I was almost ready to admonish you for an earlier post where you appeared a bit passive aggressive on this yinyang subject. I admire that you did exactly what I was hoping for and recognize there is an interesting kernel in the subject matter, but yes VMarco should really drop that which does not fit traditional models of yinyang or at least acknowledge what his interpretation is, ie, His OWN and not derived from Taoism directly. Hey, at least VMarco has something of interest to bring forward, a perspective. And he is definitely not at the kindergarten level when it comes to his knowledge. Unlike QiDragon (sorry, does that count as a personal attack?) AS for me, I do find the idea of digging into myth and comparitive religion to be fruitful. Also I like to see other people react to VMarco's work. He is really good at rocking EVERYONE's boat, Taoist, Buddhist, Christians, Jews. I'm sure there will be something soon for Muslims to react to , but maybe no one here feels the need to defend that faith. Oh, I left out shamans. Any shamans upset by VMarco yet? Not me. Craig

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. Ralph Waldo Emerson PS - Your Weiqi for deflecting constructive criticism is well developed sir!

This is precisely the teaching that I have been receiving very recently. each energy center (less culturally charged term) is connected to a certain state of consciousness. And also that it is possible to learn how to choose between states of consciousness at will and move skillfully between them for a variety of purposes. In my view Chakras and Tantiens/meridians/acu points exist on different planes, or different vibrational densities. Do you hold a similar view? ie Tantien/Meridians/acu-points are qi related and therefore closer to the physical body vibration and Chakras represent less dense energy of consciousness? I also resonate with what Effilang said about the systems being constructs which are merely accretions upon the true root of reality. These are indeed tools to work with the pure energy of the universe, which may also be termed the pure energy of consciousness. Is it possible to go directly to the root? Maybe, but more easy for most to use certain tools of perception to move towards the ultimate root of reality. Lately I have been working with the concept of exploring without trying to make things happen. IOW how do you have an energetic experience without trying to make something happen? The majority of qigong and neigung as far as I know are interested in working with energies. There is some Intention to make things happen. Open a meridian. Cook alchemical ingredients in the cauldron. Transmit qi, transmute jing to qi to shen. These are mainly doing practices. Is there a way to work directly with Qi. Is there a way to perceive the flow of energy and learn how to flow with what energy you resonate with? Are forms necessary? Where do forms come from ? Maybe will start another thread soon to expand on the above. Mike, can you comment more about the relationship between the chakras and different states of consciousness? Thanks for hanging in there. Craig

Sorry Informer: You come out looking silly IMO in this argument. 5ET seemed perfectly willing to provide a space for discussion. You made absolutist statements and refused to provide any real basis. I am sure you will call out my bias as I respect 5ET and have demonstrated it on the forum. Doesn't change the fact that you made yourself look foolish. My opinion, but I believe 5ET deserves credit for trying to have civil discourse. Craig

But have you really said anything?? or anything new? Do you really think no one here knows about abdominal breathing?? Do you really think that Deep abdominal breathing = Open MCO? In fact I do not think you have demonstrated very much about what you understand about the MCO-1. Can you examine your own perspective and acknowledge that you may not have a complete view? Can you allow the possibility that others may know more than you and they may be westerners who have learned from Chinese or others, and may have had informative experience that tested and revealed these teachings to be true for them? it appears more and more obvious that you think you have some authority and depth of knowledge that is entirely absent on TTB. I assure you that you do not. There are things you know. There are things you don't know. There are things you think you know, but don't. There are also things you don't know that you don't know. When others try to point out the last category and hold up a mirror, a man who wishes to engage in self examination will pay attention. Perhaps you can learn something here rather than try to be an authority. I believe this is how "Conversation" is meant to work, how a forum is meant to work. Cheers Craig

Minkus was wrong to level an accusation without facts and without regard to the helpful and interesting character of your posts here. Minkus...break down his content if you wish, but your claims seem hard to back up. If you feel templetao is engaged in fraudulently promoting some commerce here you should take it up with the mods. Otherwise, you should both stick to talking about REAL TAICHI. I for one thought the thread was going well...for awhile. Craig

Tao is the way of understanding, studying and exploring the universe. Big answer right? How about the method of learning how to become natural and uncontrived. how to reveal your true nature and understand the true nature of the universe and how these connect. I see Tao more as natural science than as religion. Taoist religion is in my view (high level reductionism alert) more removed from this natural science, further from the root. Have you ever tried asking your father, "what is Christianity?" or "What is Methodism?" That might be an interesting conversation. Craig

Re-read what 5ET wrote. Try discarding work with aroused sex energy altogether. Also, extra energy in the system means ramped up energy for your emotions, especially negative such as worry, hastiness, anger, grief, fear. This is why six healing sounds and then Fusion are vital to this whole process, if you are going to stay with healing tao curriculum. My experience with M.Chia's practices is in accord with what Mike is telling you. Get REALLY good with the cool draw and use it regularly to circulate energy. Find a qualified internal martial arts instructor who can take you much farther than any instructor who is specialized only in H.T. training. Do the inner smile with the goal of really getting in touch with all parts of the body. Then you can detect when energy states change. And energy states WILL change dramatically when/if you use orgasmic upward draw. Personally I am married so I usually use body awareness and familiarity with level of heat to achieve control when I want to draw things out so to speak, but almost always have ejaculatory sex after some time of circulating energy together. There are many other perspectives and methods which are as valid or more so than M.Chia's approach. reuniting.com has a lot of valid info to look at and the use of Kareeza technique to keep things less heated up always is also a valid approach if both partners are willing to radically shift their approach. I could go on but keep researching and try to see the possibility at least that Chia may not be correct in his approach here. Good luck Craig

I actually feel myself mostly in agreement with ChiDragon here. It is my opinion that Multi Orgasmic Man is an ill-conceived attempt to publish a popular book and disseminate information which is somewhat removed from the more esoteric perspective of his earlier foundation material. I am a former certified instructor of the basic level of Healing Tao practice. I would advise anyone interested in doing the sexual practice to achieve a great deal of experience with both simple meditative practice as well as standing qigong practice of some kind as the very minimum for attempting to work directly with the sexual energy in this way. From the perspective of Healing Tao practice you should do the following practices to a very comfortable proficiency; Inner smile, six healing sounds, Iron shirt Chi Kung (although with a caveat that I believe the original book has it's own attendant issues if practiced verbatim from the book), and Fusion of the five elements. Standing qigong of some kind will help you develop the sensitivity for all parts of the body as well as the urogenital area and the attendant acrobatics M.Chia recommends. All of that said with the overarching Caveat that this sexual gongfu practice may be ill advised to attempt at all as is somewhat touched upon in the website Alchemical taoism . com I invite you to go deeper and understand more and recommend you drop pursuing the sexual practice til you gain more knowledge and perspective of it. Craig

Are there agents of disinformation and distraction present on The Tao Bums? I am really beginning to think there are.

and then....and then ....??? You are such a tease. But nice insight. thanks Craig

I think you mean "as part of their curriculum". Let me clarify and broaden your question. Why as about all Chinese? Lets ask about all TCM Doctors. Obviously if we define the MCO as Du and Ren channels we can say all TCM Doctors know of it. The more important question is not about the MCO but rather "do all TCM Doctors learn about and practice qigong or other similar energy arts as part of their cultivation to improve their practice of medicine?" Unfortunately the answer is NO, not all do. But IMO all should. Craig

Stig Can we see your form anywhere? Will you critique my form if I post it? Not kidding. I just have to find a missing piece from from tripod so I can do some filming. Chi Dragon - Sorry to partially derail your thread. Brave of you to expose your practice directly here. Craig